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barbara
12-17-2015, 08:50 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/

During the debates, the candidates talked a lot about international terrorism..... But I didn't hear them address the gun problem in our country.
donquixote99
12-17-2015, 09:07 AM
A terrible, deceptive graphic. It presents a wildly inflated picture of terrorist deaths by placing the 'zero' line some distance above the bottom of the graph.

I'm not kidding. This was an attempt to sabotage the story, taking some of the punch out of it.
Dondilion
12-17-2015, 09:31 AM
This was an attempt to sabotage the story, taking some of the punch out of it.

Geeze Don Q!
barbara
12-17-2015, 10:10 AM
A terrible, deceptive graphic. It presents a wildly inflated picture of terrorist deaths by placing the 'zero' line some distance above the bottom of the graph.

I'm not kidding. This was an attempt to sabotage the story, taking some of the punch out of it.



I hadn't noticed the graph. I was just reading the text.
Tom Joad
12-17-2015, 10:33 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

61% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. are suicides.

In other words the majority of gun deaths in this country are the result of Americans exercising their freedom of choice.
BlueStreak
12-17-2015, 10:40 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States



In other words the majority of gun deaths in this country are the result of Americans exercising their freedom of choice.

Even if you were to exclude suicides............. It's still a horrendous mess.

I'm thinking 61% is a dubious claim anyways. Does that even sound right to you?
Tom Joad
12-17-2015, 10:44 AM
I'm thinking 61% is a dubious claim anyways. Does that even sound right to you?

It sounds reasonable to me.

I have known four people personally in my lifetime that have committed suicide with a gun. And I've only known personally one person that was murdered, and that was with a knife.
Rajoo
12-17-2015, 11:45 AM
Take a bow TJ, you are right. I found this hard to believe also.

Suicides account for most gun deaths

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/05/24/suicides-account-for-most-gun-deaths/
Boreas
12-17-2015, 11:58 AM
Even if you were to exclude suicides............. It's still a horrendous mess.

I'm thinking 61% is a dubious claim anyways. Does that even sound right to you?

Taking 61% as accurate, that puts the number of non-suicide "American deaths by firearms on US soil" during the period of the study at 158,533 versus 3,380 killed by terrorism. That's 2%.
Rajoo
12-17-2015, 12:10 PM
Taking 61% as accurate, that puts the number of non-suicide "American deaths by firearms on US soil" during the period of the study at 158,533 versus 3,380 killed by terrorism. That's 2%.

The psychological impact of terror rather than the number of deaths if of significance here.
BlueStreak
12-17-2015, 12:10 PM
Taking 61% as accurate, that puts the number of non-suicide "American deaths by firearms on US soil" during the period of the study at 158,533 versus 3,380 killed by terrorism. That's 2%.

Right. And that was my point. Even of 61% is right, so what? It still proves nothing.
barbara
12-17-2015, 12:30 PM
More about suicide by guns;

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/magazine/guns-and-suicide/
Tom Joad
12-17-2015, 12:35 PM
The psychological impact of terror rather than the number of deaths if of significance here.

That's true.

Just take a look at the slaughter on our roadways.

We average between 30 and 40 thousand a year and nobody gives a shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year
Boreas
12-17-2015, 01:11 PM
The psychological impact of terror rather than the number of deaths if of significance here.

Yes, and........?
Pio1980
12-17-2015, 01:27 PM
Yes, and........?

And that's the point of terror. Asymmetrical warfare.

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Dondilion
12-17-2015, 01:48 PM
The psychological impact of terror rather than the number of deaths if of significance here.

Indeed!
Tom Joad
12-17-2015, 02:37 PM
The terrorist attacks are designed to be mind fucks.

Being worried about being killed by one is stupid.

The chances of that happening to any individual are infinitesimally small.
Rajoo
12-17-2015, 04:56 PM
Yes, and........?

...........LA schools closed for a day.
Now try and imagine a threat in O'Hare or Hartsfield!
Boreas
12-17-2015, 05:46 PM
...........LA schools closed for a day.
Now try and imagine a threat in O'Hare or Hartsfield!

You seemed to be saying that, despite the relative insignificance of the number of victims, the overall impact of terrorist in the US attacks is greater and more important than the impact of the gun violence we inflict upon ourselves. I'm just trying to find out why.