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djv8ga
02-12-2016, 09:13 PM
Awesome project! It's amazing how uninformed people are when it comes to the work China is doing to combat desertification by creating sustainable systems.
http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2007/03/15/restoring-chinas-loess-plateau

BlueStreak
02-13-2016, 12:29 AM
Yes, this is amazing stuff and good to see.

I'd like to see how (if?) they tackle the massive industrial pollution their cities are choking on. The pictures coming out of China remind me of Youngstown and Pittsburgh in the 60s and 70s only worse. I'm guessing they won't touch that, because right now, that's the goose with the golden eggs.

Boreas
02-13-2016, 06:10 AM
Yes, this is amazing stuff and good to see.

I'd like to see how (if?) they tackle the massive industrial pollution their cities are choking on. The pictures coming out of China remind me of Youngstown and Pittsburgh in the 60s and 70s only worse. I'm guessing they won't touch that, because right now, that's the goose with the golden eggs.

China is making huge strides in both wind and solar energy.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-30/china-plans-to-raise-wind-solar-power-capacity-by-21-in-2016

djv8ga
02-13-2016, 09:09 AM
Yes, this is amazing stuff and good to see.

I'd like to see how (if?) they tackle the massive industrial pollution their cities are choking on. The pictures coming out of China remind me of Youngstown and Pittsburgh in the 60s and 70s only worse. I'm guessing they won't touch that, because right now, that's the goose with the golden eggs.
I'm not sure.

I've posted before how they've made desertification their #1 priority.
They, like most of the world (& myself), believe the only way to battle carbon is to sequester it back in the ground & bring the air/ground % back into balance. They also need to eat which tends to sway their priorities.

Boreas
02-13-2016, 09:51 AM
I'm not sure.

I've posted before how they've made desertification their #1 priority.
They, like most of the world (& myself), believe the only way to battle carbon is to sequester it back in the ground & bring the air/ground % back into balance. They also need to eat which tends to sway their priorities.

Growing green vegetables is ine way of putting CO2 back in the ground. Reducing the amount of meat in our diet is a way of keeping it out og the atmosphere.

djv8ga
02-13-2016, 10:19 AM
Growing green vegetables is ine way of putting CO2 back in the ground. Reducing the amount of meat in our diet is a way of keeping it out og the atmosphere.
Those ranchers in Oregon that were busted for "burning weeds" need to understand the damage they are causing by their idiotic land practices.
Everybody, regardless of their politics, needs to embrace sustainable farming & ranching practices.

Boreas
02-13-2016, 10:24 AM
Those ranchers in Oregon that were busted for "burning weeds" need to understand the damage they are causing by their idiotic land practices.
Everybody, regardless of their politics, needs to embrace sustainable farming & ranching practices.

Well, they were actually lying when they said they were "burning weeds". They were really destroying evidence of crimes they committed by taking deer out of season in a preserve.

As far as I'm concerned., they deserve the sentence they got [and they deserve getting yanked back into prison after they thought they were done.

djv8ga
02-13-2016, 10:33 AM
Well, they were actually lying when they said they were "burning weeds". They were really destroying evidence of crimes they committed by taking deer out of season in a preserve.


I didn't know that.:o I stopped following the story after I heard they torched 100+ acres.

finnbow
02-13-2016, 10:43 AM
I didn't know that.:o I stopped following the story after I heard they torched 100+ acres.

The jury convicted both of the Hammonds of using fire to destroy federal property for a 2001 arson known as the Hardie-Hammond Fire, located in the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. Witnesses at trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property. Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.” One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson. The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations. After committing the arson, Steven Hammond called the BLM office in Burns, Oregon and claimed the fire was started on Hammond property to burn off invasive species and had inadvertently burned onto public lands. Dwight and Steven Hammond told one of their relatives to keep his mouth shut and that nobody needed to know about the fire.

http://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/eastern-oregon-ranchers-convicted-arson-resentenced-five-years-prison

It puzzles me why some believe that the Hammonds' sentences were excessive in light of the above.

djv8ga
02-13-2016, 10:56 AM
The jury convicted both of the Hammonds of using fire to destroy federal property for a 2001 arson known as the Hardie-Hammond Fire, located in the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. Witnesses at trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property. Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.” One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson. The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations. After committing the arson, Steven Hammond called the BLM office in Burns, Oregon and claimed the fire was started on Hammond property to burn off invasive species and had inadvertently burned onto public lands. Dwight and Steven Hammond told one of their relatives to keep his mouth shut and that nobody needed to know about the fire.

http://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/eastern-oregon-ranchers-convicted-arson-resentenced-five-years-prison

It puzzles me why some believe that the Hammonds' sentences were excessive in light of the above.
That's brutal. I would have guessed 10 years or more would've been handed down for that B.S.

Boreas
02-13-2016, 11:07 AM
The jury convicted both of the Hammonds of using fire to destroy federal property for a 2001 arson known as the Hardie-Hammond Fire, locWitnesses at trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property. Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.” One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson. The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations. After committing the arson, Steven Hammond called the BLM office in Burns, Oregon and claimed the fire was started on Hammond property to burn off invasive species and had inadvertently burned onto public lands. Dwight and Steven Hammond told one of their relatives to keep his mouth shut and that nobody needed to know about the fire.

http://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/eastern-oregon-ranchers-convicted-arson-resentenced-five-years-prison

It puzzles me why some believe that the Hammonds' sentences were excessive in light of the above.


He survived by diving into a creek and staying submerged until the fire all around him burned itself out so the asshole Hammonds are damned lucky they didn't have to face manslaughter or negligent homicide charges too.

Boreas
02-13-2016, 01:02 PM
DJ, thanks for this thread. Sorry for derailing it.

Your video seems to be a condensed version of a longer one that's available on YouTube in 4 segments. Here's a link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX1ex9PeFpY&list=PLs638uNXmpP9XRQbcaAE6TEWpv71wGbTM

If the Loess Plateau can be restored, then I have to think anything can be.

BlueStreak
02-13-2016, 01:12 PM
I'm not sure.

I've posted before how they've made desertification their #1 priority.
They, like most of the world (& myself), believe the only way to battle carbon is to sequester it back in the ground & bring the air/ground % back into balance. They also need to eat which tends to sway their priorities.

And, that IS the rub. I watched it play out in Ohio after the EPA basically condemned the aged and heavy polluting mills there 1975. It wasn't pretty. They're STILL cleaning up the mess.

But I saw with my own eyes, land where nothing would grow, dead fish strewn along riverbanks, air so think with metal particulates you could taste it. Something HAD to be done.

djv8ga
02-13-2016, 04:05 PM
DJ, thanks for this thread. Sorry for derailing it.

Your video seems to be a condensed version of a longer one that's available on YouTube in 4 segments. Here's a link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX1ex9PeFpY&list=PLs638uNXmpP9XRQbcaAE6TEWpv71wGbTM

If the Loess Plateau can be restored, then I have to think anything can be.
Cool! I learned of the project from Geoff Lawton just last night. I'll check it out since I'm done working today. :)

djv8ga
02-13-2016, 07:22 PM
DJ, thanks for this thread. Sorry for derailing it.

Your video seems to be a condensed version of a longer one that's available on YouTube in 4 segments. Here's a link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX1ex9PeFpY&list=PLs638uNXmpP9XRQbcaAE6TEWpv71wGbTM

If the Loess Plateau can be restored, then I have to think anything can be.
That was a great series. What a fantastic job getting everyone on board to work so hard & to have faith it was going to work.