My take on"the night of blood" Chicago, 2016

[noonereal]

My comments:

The media in this country is what is out of control. When I flicked channels last night during a commercial break while watching college hoops I though the world was exploding into WW III. I sat on the edge of seat to hear about the violence and riots! I sat transfixed, what had Trump done? That bastard! Must have really gone and done it this time. Probably ordered the execution of some protesters who now lie dead in the middle of all this. What is it? What happened? I listened intently as talking head after talking head told me of how Trump caused this night of violence that will change the planet forever. but... they never told me exactly what had happened. Just that Trump was the anti Christ and was responsible for this, horrible, still undefined, disaster.

After 20 minutes, I gave up and switched channels. Surly CNN would give me the story behind the violence that was threatening our very existence as a species if if MSNBC was too busy whipping up the lynch mob, undoubtedly deserved.

But, same thing. Trump is evil, Trump has caused violence, great horrible, never to be forgotten, VIOLENCE. I still heard of no who when why or how.

Ok, my kid says, "try Fox, maybe they will tell us what happened." So I put on the right wing propaganda machine. SAME THING!!!!!!

They are asking their viewers to source feathers and boil some oil. Trump is gonna get his for this VIOLENCE!!!!!

Now I am a good 30 minutes into this, no longer concerned abut a trite college basketball game, trying to piece together what happened when it dawned on me... nothing happened. Fuckin, nothing happened!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, I mean, no one is dead, no one is even arrested!!!!!!!

WTF???????????????////

So my analytical mind goes to work with the facts at hand.

1) Trump has planned a rally and has distrusted tickets.
2) Protesters infiltrated his event and caused confrontation with a potential for violence.
3) The police become concerned and huddle with Trump.
4) Trump, on the police advise, cancels the rally and asks all to go home in peace, like my priest does at the end of mass.
5) All go home.

This was the ending of civilization as we know it? per these "news" outlets?

People, this country has some serious problems and our media, all of it, may be the worst of all.
They blamed Trump for ending civilization, on 3 different networks, with the same 3 shoving incidents running in a continual loop for an hour.

The GOP is loving it. They feel they will lose power if Trump, who owes them nothing, is elected. The Dem's are loving it, they feel they will lose power if any republican is elected. The TV networks are loving it, they are sensationalizing another story, ratings are sky rocketing.

I feel I am being pushed by media, the GOP and the Democrats to vote for Trump. I have had it with how business is done in this country. I have had it with the GOP putting my country in jeopardy for political gain, placing party before country. I have had it with the DEm's championing a dishonest family back to the white house. I have had it with big business lying stealing and killing, yes killing Americans to maximize profit. I have had it with the private club that is Washington.

Last night, to me, was mind blowing. It should be to you too.

I am a much more fervent Trump supporter today than I was yesterday and frankly I don't care what his policies are. I am not pro Trump, I am anti everybody currently in Washington and business as usual and Trump is the only shot we have at a true outsider.

[djv8ga]

My comments:

The media in this country is what is out of control. When I flicked channels last night during a commercial break while watching college hoops I though the world was exploding into WW III. I sat on the edge of seat to hear about the violence and riots! I sat transfixed, what had Trump done? That bastard! Must have really gone and done it this time. Probably ordered the execution of some protesters who now lie dead in the middle of all this. What is it? What happened? I listened intently as talking head after talking head told me of how Trump caused this night of violence that will change the planet forever. but... they never told me exactly what had happened. Just that Trump was the anti Christ and was responsible for this, horrible, still undefined, disaster.

After 20 minutes, I gave up and switched channels. Surly CNN would give me the story behind the violence that was threatening our very existence as a species if if MSNBC was too busy whipping up the lynch mob, undoubtedly deserved.

But, same thing. Trump is evil, Trump has caused violence, great horrible, never to be forgotten, VIOLENCE. I still heard of no who when why or how.

Ok, my kid says, "try Fox, maybe they will tell us what happened." So I put on the right wing propaganda machine. SAME THING!!!!!!

They are asking their viewers to source feathers and boil some oil. Trump is gonna get his for this VIOLENCE!!!!!

Now I am a good 30 minutes into this, no longer concerned abut a trite college basketball game, trying to piece together what happened when it dawned on me... nothing happened. Fuckin, nothing happened!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, I mean, no one is dead, no one is even arrested!!!!!!!

WTF???????????????////

So my analytical mind goes to work with the facts at hand.

1) Trump has planned a rally and has distrusted tickets.
2) Protesters infiltrated his event and caused confrontation with a potential for violence.
3) The police become concerned and huddle with Trump.
4) Trump, on the police advise, cancels the rally and asks all to go home in peace, like my priest does at the end of mass.
5) All go home.

This was the ending of civilization as we know it? per these "news" outlets?

People, this country has some serious problems and our media, all of it, may be the worst of all.
They blamed Trump for ending civilization, on 3 different networks, with the same 3 shoving incidents running in a continual loop for an hour.

The GOP is loving it. They feel they will lose power if Trump, who owes them nothing, is elected. The Dem's are loving it, they feel they will lose power if any republican is elected. The TV networks are loving it, they are sensationalizing another story, ratings are sky rocketing.

I feel I am being pushed by media, the GOP and the Democrats to vote for Trump. I have had it with how business is done in this country. I have had it with the GOP putting my country in jeopardy for political gain, placing party before country. I have had it with the DEm's championing a dishonest family back to the white house. I have had it with big business lying stealing and killing, yes killing Americans to maximize profit. I have had it with the private club that is Washington.

Last night, to me, was mind blowing. It should be to you too.

I am a much more fervent Trump supporter today than I was yesterday and frankly I don't care what his policies are. I am not pro Trump, I am anti everybody currently in Washington and business as usual and Trump is the only shot we have at a true outsider.
You nailed it.
Thank you.

[JJIII]

I agree. Nooner knocked it out of the park.

[finnbow]

So, you have become a more fervent Trump reporter just because lots of people hate and fear him? Brilliant.:confused:

Keep in mind that it was the media who helped create the Trump phenomena. Now, their reporting on violence at his rallies makes him even more attractive to you? I'd say some soul-searching may be in order.;)

[sheltiedave]

Actually, he didn't nail it.

I have been attending presidential campaign events for the past three decades. I have seen my share of confrontations, dustups, and outright fights at them. Under adult supervision, any nonsense that went down was appropriately dealt with in an even handed manner. All those involved were escorted out, and those that could not start behaving were arrested.

At Trump's rallys, his event law enforcement and security evict and arrest the protesters, but they neither protect them en route to the door, nor do they show an even handed method of cleaning up both sides. And Trump sets the scene, offering to pay for legal fees, railing about the media, railing about being PC, and railing like a baby.

I thought McCain dipped too deep into the nethers of the gene pool when he found Sarah Palin, but she looks like a Rhodes scholar compared to the Trump bafoonery. He is nothing but a bubbling bucket of ball bearings, with nothing falling from his lips but sniveling snark.

[djv8ga]

Actually, he didn't nail it.

I have been attending presidential campaign events for the past three decades. I have seen my share of confrontations, dustups, and outright fights at them. Under adult supervision, any nonsense that went down was appropriately dealt with in an even handed manner. All those involved were escorted out, and those that could not start behaving were arrested.

At Trump's rallys, his event law enforcement and security evict and arrest the protesters, but they neither protect them en route to the door, nor do they show an even handed method of cleaning up both sides. And Trump sets the scene, offering to pay for legal fees, railing about the media, railing about being PC, and railing like a baby.

I thought McCain dipped too deep into the nethers of the gene pool when he found Sarah Palin, but she looks like a Rhodes scholar compared to the Trump bafoonery. He is nothing but a bubbling bucket of ball bearings, with nothing falling from his lips but sniveling snark.
Actually he did nail it & your post is nothing but the same old B.S. that media sheep like you believe.

What M.C. club was that again? :rolleyes:

[barbara]

.....and the fact that Trump encouraged his supporters to use violence against protestors has nothing to do with what happened in Chicago..... ???

[djv8ga]

.....and the fact that Trump encouraged his supporters to use violence against protestors has nothing to do with what happened in Chicago..... ???
So what's the excuse for all of the violence in Chicago when Trump isn't there???

So you're saying if a politician or group like "Move On" told you to punch somebody, you would do it?

[MrPots]

My comments:

The media in this country is what is out of control. When I flicked channels last night during a commercial break while watching college hoops I though the world was exploding into WW III. I sat on the edge of seat to hear about the violence and riots! I sat transfixed, what had Trump done? That bastard! Must have really gone and done it this time. Probably ordered the execution of some protesters who now lie dead in the middle of all this. What is it? What happened? I listened intently as talking head after talking head told me of how Trump caused this night of violence that will change the planet forever. but... they never told me exactly what had happened. Just that Trump was the anti Christ and was responsible for this, horrible, still undefined, disaster.

After 20 minutes, I gave up and switched channels. Surly CNN would give me the story behind the violence that was threatening our very existence as a species if if MSNBC was too busy whipping up the lynch mob, undoubtedly deserved.

But, same thing. Trump is evil, Trump has caused violence, great horrible, never to be forgotten, VIOLENCE. I still heard of no who when why or how.

Ok, my kid says, "try Fox, maybe they will tell us what happened." So I put on the right wing propaganda machine. SAME THING!!!!!!

They are asking their viewers to source feathers and boil some oil. Trump is gonna get his for this VIOLENCE!!!!!

Now I am a good 30 minutes into this, no longer concerned abut a trite college basketball game, trying to piece together what happened when it dawned on me... nothing happened. Fuckin, nothing happened!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, I mean, no one is dead, no one is even arrested!!!!!!!

WTF???????????????////

So my analytical mind goes to work with the facts at hand.

1) Trump has planned a rally and has distrusted tickets.
2) Protesters infiltrated his event and caused confrontation with a potential for violence.
3) The police become concerned and huddle with Trump.
4) Trump, on the police advise, cancels the rally and asks all to go home in peace, like my priest does at the end of mass.
5) All go home.

This was the ending of civilization as we know it? per these "news" outlets?

People, this country has some serious problems and our media, all of it, may be the worst of all.
They blamed Trump for ending civilization, on 3 different networks, with the same 3 shoving incidents running in a continual loop for an hour.

The GOP is loving it. They feel they will lose power if Trump, who owes them nothing, is elected. The Dem's are loving it, they feel they will lose power if any republican is elected. The TV networks are loving it, they are sensationalizing another story, ratings are sky rocketing.

I feel I am being pushed by media, the GOP and the Democrats to vote for Trump. I have had it with how business is done in this country. I have had it with the GOP putting my country in jeopardy for political gain, placing party before country. I have had it with the DEm's championing a dishonest family back to the white house. I have had it with big business lying stealing and killing, yes killing Americans to maximize profit. I have had it with the private club that is Washington.

Last night, to me, was mind blowing. It should be to you too.

I am a much more fervent Trump supporter today than I was yesterday and frankly I don't care what his policies are. I am not pro Trump, I am anti everybody currently in Washington and business as usual and Trump is the only shot we have at a true outsider.

One of your best posts dude.... :)

Still trying to figure out what a "distrusted" ticket is though... "gives the ticket a sideways wary look"

[djv8ga]

Still trying to figure out what a "distrusted" ticket is though...
Yes, me too.

[Boreas]

So what's the excuse for all of the violence in Chicago when Trump isn't there???

His supporters were there.

So you're saying if a politician or group like "Move On" told you to punch somebody, you would do it?

What a stupid, irrelevant and totally hypothetical bit of nonsense!

Move On isn't a charismatic leader. Trump is. Move On doesn't tell people to use violence. Trump does and we've been seeing the violence of his supporters escalate for months.

[MrPots]

But we live in a very violent society. It's expected.

Comparatively, the dust up at this rally was nothing more than a Childs tea party. These days, unless there are multiply casualties, it's nothing really...

[djv8ga]

His supporters were there.



What a stupid, irrelevant and totally hypothetical bit of nonsense!

Move On isn't a charismatic leader. Trump is. Move On doesn't tell people to use violence. Trump does and we've been seeing the violence of his supporters escalate for months.
It's idiots like you that do nothing (and I MEAN do nothing) but blame everyone else for the their own actions.

Read your stupid response you pathetic POS. Here, let me help you out Mr. Depends..." when Trump isn't there???" :rolleyes::rolleyes:

So you are nothing but a sheep.

[Boreas]

It's idiots like you that do nothing (and I MEAN do nothing) but blame everyone else for the their own actions.

Can you give me an example of a time when I blamed anyone else for my own actions? I'd like to try to learn from it so I can be just like you.

Actually, that whole idea of that redneck asshole in North Carolina, the one who sucker punched the protester, is a perfect example of what you're talking about and I'm willing to bet that you think it was the kid's fault.

Read your stupid response you pathetic POS. Here, let me help you out Mr. Depends..." when Trump isn't there???" :rolleyes::rolleyes:

So you are nothing but a sheep.

If I'm a sheep, then you should like me better. Isn't sheep where you go for yer pleasurin'?

[finnbow]

I am a much more fervent Trump supporter today than I was yesterday and frankly I don't care what his policies are. I am not pro Trump, I am anti everybody currently in Washington and business as usual and Trump is the only shot we have at a true outsider.

You nailed it.
Thank you.

I agree. Nooner knocked it out of the park.

Personally, I'd be deeply embarrassed to admit that I allowed a wannabe authoritarian to appeal to the darker angels of my nature through his racist, misogynist and ill-informed rants. Actually, I'd be more than just embarrassed. I'd be sick to my stomach.

As for a Trump supporter calling those who don't support Trump "sheep," I could hardly keep myself from spitting my coffee on to my keyboard.

[Boreas]

My comments:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH3zQa39LAQ

[donquixote99]

I consider post 1, what with noone getting "more fervent" and otherwise worked up, to be evidence that this dangerous crazyness is all in accordance with Trump's plan. As I noticed in the other thread, I'm convinced that some of this, at least, is staged and scripted Trump drama, the kind he learned all about in the WWE.

I am a little worried about where this all is going to lead. What's the end game? Especially if Trump doesn't see electoral victory as in the cards?

[Boreas]

I consider post 1, what with noone getting "more fervent" and otherwise worked up, to be evidence that this dangerous crazyness is all in accordance with Trump's plan. As I noticed in the other thread, I'm convinced that some of this, at least, is staged and scripted Trump drama, the kind he learned all about in the WWE.

I am a little worried about where this all is going to lead. What's the end game? Especially if Trump doesn't see electoral victory as in the cards?

The burning of the Reichstag.

You know where it could lead, DQ. You're just afraid to speak its name.

[BlueStreak]

We were just told by Trump that if you don't support him, you don't love America. And after all of the nasty shit about issuing ID badges, building walls, "Mexicans" being rapists and murderers, "Islam" hating "us", punching people in the mouth, etc.,etc., etc.......that we all heard come DIRECTLY from Trump himself. After all of the generalization, vilification, divisiveness, Grandstanding, the Nationalism........ You STILL don't get it?

The media has been picking on poor Donald? WTF?

The media has kept that Fascist front and center for over a year, now.

RED FLAG.

If the Democratic and Republican parties are pulling together to stop Donald Trump, GOOD FOR THEM.

[Rajoo]

My comments:

The media in this country is what is out of control. When I flicked channels last night during a commercial break while watching college hoops I though the world was exploding into WW III. I sat on the edge of seat to hear about the violence and riots! I sat transfixed, what had Trump done? That bastard! Must have really gone and done it this time. Probably ordered the execution of some protesters who now lie dead in the middle of all this. What is it? What happened? I listened intently as talking head after talking head told me of how Trump caused this night of violence that will change the planet forever. but... they never told me exactly what had happened. Just that Trump was the anti Christ and was responsible for this, horrible, still undefined, disaster.

After 20 minutes, I gave up and switched channels. Surly CNN would give me the story behind the violence that was threatening our very existence as a species if if MSNBC was too busy whipping up the lynch mob, undoubtedly deserved.

But, same thing. Trump is evil, Trump has caused violence, great horrible, never to be forgotten, VIOLENCE. I still heard of no who when why or how.

Ok, my kid says, "try Fox, maybe they will tell us what happened." So I put on the right wing propaganda machine. SAME THING!!!!!!

They are asking their viewers to source feathers and boil some oil. Trump is gonna get his for this VIOLENCE!!!!!

Now I am a good 30 minutes into this, no longer concerned abut a trite college basketball game, trying to piece together what happened when it dawned on me... nothing happened. Fuckin, nothing happened!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, I mean, no one is dead, no one is even arrested!!!!!!!

WTF???????????????////

So my analytical mind goes to work with the facts at hand.

1) Trump has planned a rally and has distrusted tickets.
2) Protesters infiltrated his event and caused confrontation with a potential for violence.
3) The police become concerned and huddle with Trump.
4) Trump, on the police advise, cancels the rally and asks all to go home in peace, like my priest does at the end of mass.
5) All go home.

This was the ending of civilization as we know it? per these "news" outlets?

People, this country has some serious problems and our media, all of it, may be the worst of all.
They blamed Trump for ending civilization, on 3 different networks, with the same 3 shoving incidents running in a continual loop for an hour.

The GOP is loving it. They feel they will lose power if Trump, who owes them nothing, is elected. The Dem's are loving it, they feel they will lose power if any republican is elected. The TV networks are loving it, they are sensationalizing another story, ratings are sky rocketing.

I feel I am being pushed by media, the GOP and the Democrats to vote for Trump. I have had it with how business is done in this country. I have had it with the GOP putting my country in jeopardy for political gain, placing party before country. I have had it with the DEm's championing a dishonest family back to the white house. I have had it with big business lying stealing and killing, yes killing Americans to maximize profit. I have had it with the private club that is Washington.

Last night, to me, was mind blowing. It should be to you too.

I am a much more fervent Trump supporter today than I was yesterday and frankly I don't care what his policies are. I am not pro Trump, I am anti everybody currently in Washington and business as usual and Trump is the only shot we have at a true outsider.

The bolded section is the only part of your post that makes sense, rest is just noise. You have a right to your opinion of course but I don't see you justifying why you or others should support Trump. He is great, fact that the GOP and the Dem's don't like him makes his greater is all you've got for logic?

List some positive attributes of Trump if you can in order to justify your support, otherwise join the DJ club. Maybe he could take you to a militia rally so you guys can meet like minded neanderthals.

[icenine]

Politically speaking in relation to the general election Trump may be dead but doesn't know it yet. His race-baiting may work with a bagger constituency but when it comes to campaigning across our great nation people are not going to put up with his bullshit anymore. He will make a mockery of the general election and I would not be surprised if the convention gets cancelled if he has enough delegates to win the nomination.

[Wasillaguy]

"If I hear one more Republican tell me about balancing the budget, I am going to strangle them" -Biden

[Dondilion]

I consider post 1, what with noone getting "more fervent" and otherwise worked up, to be evidence that this dangerous crazyness is all in accordance with Trump's plan. As I noticed in the other thread, I'm convinced that some of this, at least, is staged and scripted Trump drama, the kind he learned all about in the WWE.



It is scripted for the 'heartland', coming from CHICAGO and is full of visual codes. :D

[Wasillaguy]

"Every single moment that we are stoking our beards and gazing at our navel and thinking about the world we'dlike to be and singing "Kumbaya" is another day we're not punching Bill O'Reilly in the nose" -Weiner

[Wasillaguy]

"When they bring a knife to a fight, we bring a gun" -Obama

[Rajoo]

"If I hear one more Republican tell me about balancing the budget, I am going to strangle them" -Biden

"Every single moment that we are stoking our beards and gazing at our navel and thinking about the world we'dlike to be and singing "Kumbaya" is another day we're not punching Bill O'Reilly in the nose" -Weiner

When they bring a knife to a fight, we bring a gun" -Obama

Spoken like a true Republican, it's Obama's fault that there is potential for violence at a Trump rally. Brilliant. :D
Need to find one from Hillary as a closing statement.

[MrPots]

We were just told by Trump that if you don't support him, you don't love America.

An old theme..."you're either with us or against us"

[Tom Joad]

Liberals that are trying to take Trump down are fools.

For Christ sake if you have to bash Trump at least wait until he gets the Republican nomination.

All you are doing by bashing Trump now is helping the Spawn of Satan Himself.

http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz359/Dog_of_the_Earth/ted_cruz6.jpg (http://s843.photobucket.com/user/Dog_of_the_Earth/media/ted_cruz6.jpg.html)

[Rajoo]

I'd rather have Bernie, but realistically the Corporate Democrats, the corporate media, and the Clinton machine is going to crush him, and when that happens I'm seriously thinking about jumping on the Trump train. I love what he is doing to the Republican establishment and the media. They have come after him with everything they have in their arsenal and he is still kicking both their asses.

You will need to justify that comment quite a bit and do you actually believe that Trump is anti-establishment? Why didn't he run as an independent from the start than under the GOP umbrella? I am the greatest, $10 Trillion tax cuts, defending his own products made off-shore for cost reasons no less make him nothing but a demagogue hypocrite. There is more wreckage in his entrepreneurial past than you may be willing to look into.

Heck I would not trust him to be the CEO of a charity like Goodwill.

[BlueStreak]

You will need to justify that comment quite a bit and do you actually believe that Trump is anti-establishment? Why didn't he run as an independent from the start than under the GOP umbrella? I am the greatest, $10 Trillion tax cuts, defending his own products made off-shore for cost reasons no less make him nothing but a demagogue hypocrite. There is more wreckage in his entrepreneurial past than you may be willing to look into.

Heck I would not trust him to be the CEO of a charity like Goodwill.

(Sarcasm)

Why not? He would steal every last penny, force the organization into bankruptcy, walk away with all of the money, then point to his personal wealth as proof of his "success". After all, that's what Capitalism is all about...........

...........Well, isn't it?:rolleyes:

[BlueStreak]

Here's some predictive video from a future Trump rally;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldsJ0laYn6s

[Tom Joad]

You will need to justify that comment quite a bit and do you actually believe that Trump is anti-establishment? Why didn't he run as an independent from the start than under the GOP umbrella? I am the greatest, $10 Trillion tax cuts, defending his own products made off-shore for cost reasons no less make him nothing but a demagogue hypocrite. There is more wreckage in his entrepreneurial past than you may be willing to look into.

Heck I would not trust him to be the CEO of a charity like Goodwill.


I've already said I don't like his tax cut plan. If it were up to me I'd probably be proposing a 10 trillion dollar tax increase. So what? I don't agree with Bernie on every issue either.

As for making his products offshore Hell what else are you gonna do?

Unless the laws are changed removing the economic incentives to offshore for everybody one person can't just go it alone. He'd get eaten alive by his competition. The same thing for the $15 an hour wage. If I have a Mickey D's franchise and I start paying my burger flippers $15 bucks an hour and all the other fast food joints in town keep paying the $7.25 an hour minimum, I won't be in business for long. It has to be made a law so everybody has to do it.

As for trust, all I'm saying is I trust him more than any of the other Republican candidates and I trust him more than I do Hillary. You gotta admit, thats not a very high bar.

[bobabode]

Here's some predictive video from a future Trump rally;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldsJ0laYn6s

Looks about right to me.

[Boreas]

Liberals that are trying to take Trump down are fools.

For Christ sake if you have to bash Trump at least wait until he gets the Republican nomination.

All you are doing by bashing Trump now is helping the Spawn of Satan Himself.

Taking Trump down is walking.

Taking Cruz down is chewing gum.

[Boreas]

I've already said I don't like his tax cut plan.

Which of his plans, his actual plans, do you like?

[Tom Joad]

Which of his plans, his actual plans, do you like?

Trade, Guns, and Obamacare.

Trade, slap a big assed tariff on all these cheap third world imports.
Make that shit in America again.

Guns, I like his idea for a nationwide concealed carry permit. If I go to New York City or San Francisco, I should be able to pack heat just like I can here in Alabama.

Obamacare. I hate it. It's a cash cow for the Insurance companies, the drug companies, and the medical care providers. Repeal the damned thing. Just go back to the way it was and let conditions get so bad that enough people rise up and demand single payer.

PS. Plus he has promised not to cut Medicare and Social Security.

[Tom Joad]

Taking Trump down is walking.

Taking Cruz down is chewing gum.

I'm not terribly worried about a Trump Presidency.

I do not want to risk a Ted Cruz Presidency.

That would be like having the Taliban and the Nazi's all in one package.

[Boreas]

Trade, Guns, and Obamacare.

Trade, slap a big assed tariff on all these cheap third world imports.
Make that shit in America again.

Guns, I like his idea for a nationwide concealed carry permit. If I go to New York City or San Francisco, I should be able to pack heat just like I can here in Alabama.

Obamacare. I hate it. It's a cash cow for the Insurance companies, the drug companies, and the medical care providers. Repeal the damned thing. Just go back to the way it was and let conditions get so bad that enough people rise up and demand single payer.

Trade: he doesn't talk about tariffs any more. Now it's reduced to "looking at all of" the trade deals or at best "renegotiating" them.

Nationwide concealed carry: try getting that past the states that outlaw the practice. It won't happen.

Health care: repealing Obamacare and replacing it with "something better" isn't a plan.

In fact, none of these are plans, TJ. They're just rhetoric, designed to push prole buttons.

The only plan, the only thing actually written down on paper and outlined in anything resembling detail is his tax plan, a big blowjob for the 1% that promises to bankrupt the government. This is just a flim-flam and you're just one of the marks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVPolwmpOUo

[Tom Joad]

This is just a flim-flam and you're just one of the marks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVPolwmpOUo

Could be Dude.

But trusting Hillary to do the right thing is at best, equally foolish.

[donquixote99]

Lesser evilism. You can be for any toad you want, as long as you find a way to insist the opposition is worse....

[Oerets]

The initial points stated confirm to me, that the Right/GOP supporters care little about the results from THEIR words and actions. The leadership along with the rank and file see little correlation from the creation and support of the TP to this mess now. Folks we haven't seen nothing yet I'm afraid.

At this point a woman just walking into a Trump event wearing a Hajab maybe taking a grave risk of bodily harm. A Hispanic or insert anything other then White for that matter.


Trump telling his supporters not to worry about legal fee's! This will help cool things down:rolleyes:!

I was going to vote for Trump in my primary as a anti Cruz ploy. Gonna vote Democrat in November no matter what.

But now will just vote Paul.






Barney

[BlueStreak]

I've already said I don't like his tax cut plan. If it were up to me I'd probably be proposing a 10 trillion dollar tax increase. So what? I don't agree with Bernie on every issue either.

As for making his products offshore Hell what else are you gonna do?

Unless the laws are changed removing the economic incentives to offshore for everybody one person can't just go it alone. He'd get eaten alive by his competition. The same thing for the $15 an hour wage. If I have a Mickey D's franchise and I start paying my burger flippers $15 bucks an hour and all the other fast food joints in town keep paying the $7.25 an hour minimum, I won't be in business for long. It has to be made a law so everybody has to do it.

As for trust, all I'm saying is I trust him more than any of the other Republican candidates and I trust him more than I do Hillary. You gotta admit, thats not a very high bar.

I trust Trump even less than I trust Hillary. He's even more of a demagogue than she is, by far. He shies away from specifics, instead preferring to bellow vitriol and mindless chant. A giant, noisy, crass, flag waiving façade in front of God-knows-what. A man who complains that others are trying to shut him up as he goads his follower to push out any and all dissent.

No, I will not, under any conceivable condition be voting for this showboating asshole.

[Pio1980]

Anyone who believes anything the fact deficient huckster sez is a fool, he's making a sale on a product with no intention to deliver on his promises. Get a clue.

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[sheltiedave]

Sadly, there is a line that some cannot recognize.

I posted about my personal experiences over the course of three decades of campaign rallies.

I witness things first hand, with no media filters.

I see thuggish behavior at campaign rallies, recorded by private citizens, with no media filters.

I can hear all the words that Trump speaks, at rallies and at televised debates, with no media filters.

The media has not played a negative part in what Trump has sought successfully to create. Trump has mastered a tacit control of the media, sidestepping debates, avoiding campaign stops and rallies, and using the media for years to propogate that Obama was not born in the US, for just one example.

Trump cannot manage his businesses successfully. He certainly does not retain the ability to govern by consensus - that is antithical to the very core of his being.

[noonereal]

So, you have become a more fervent Trump reporter just because lots of people hate and fear him? Brilliant.:confused:

Keep in mind that it was the media who helped create the Trump phenomena. Now, their reporting on violence at his rallies makes him even more attractive to you? I'd say some soul-searching may be in order.;)

Good point.

As to my becoming more fervent Trump supporter...

I think "fair" is at the heart of America. Obviously nothing is but the ideal needs to permeate though out government, business and school. Sure it's only an ideal but it's powerful and always working towards it aids us as a people.

Now I am the most cynical bitch on the planet, I think every here knows that, yet fair is the holy grail... even to me.

I see nothing fair in how Trump is being received.

I will not apologize for what I value if it does not align with you. I am able to respect those who I do not agree with if I respect them.

I respect that you disagree.

and BTW, what violence?

[noonereal]

Personally, I'd be deeply embarrassed to admit that I allowed a wannabe authoritarian to appeal to the darker angels of my nature through his racist, misogynist and ill-informed rants. Actually, I'd be more than just embarrassed. I'd be sick to my stomach.

.

WOW!

You really think I support, everyone who supports Trump because is simply indulging their dark side?

This is a shocking post from you.

Frankly, you are better than this. :(

You know, sometimes people just disagree.
We all have our own perspective.

We all interpret things differently.

Two people can view the same action and come away with a different understanding of what took place. ;)

[noonereal]

I will say, Trump is certainly a lighting rod.

[BlueStreak]

Sadly, there is a line that some cannot recognize.

I posted about my personal experiences over the course of three decades of campaign rallies.

I witness things first hand, with no media filters.

I see thuggish behavior at campaign rallies, recorded by private citizens, with no media filters.

I can hear all the words that Trump speaks, at rallies and at televised debates, with no media filters.

The media has not played a negative part in what Trump has sought successfully to create. Trump has mastered a tacit control of the media, sidestepping debates, avoiding campaign stops and rallies, and using the media for years to propogate that Obama was not born in the US, for just one example.

Trump cannot manage his businesses successfully. He certainly does not retain the ability to govern by consensus - that is antithical to the very core of his being.

One of my (many) cousins went to a Trump rally, recently. He reported back exactly as you said; Trump started the rally, pointing around the room and saying things like; "Are those Democrats over there? Get them out.", "See that guy right there? Out. Just throw'em all the hell out." and so on until they were all gone.

"....and that one looks Jewish and that one's a COON! Uproarious riff-raff out of the room! There's one smoking a joint and another with spots! If I had my way, I'd have all them SHOT!".........

But, seriously.......

I've always believed must would be difficult for anyone who's spent their entire life at the top of the corporate world, or the military to run a government, without becoming a tyrant. Not impossible, obviously, because we have had some fine political leaders who've come up that way and done fine. No, not impossible, but difficult because corporations and certainly the military are NOT democracies. They are very much top-down authoritarian rule.

In fact, look at all of the governments that have been run by men in military uniforms...........Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin, Peron, Castro, Kim...... I'm just sayin'......

[noonereal]

Liberals that are trying to take Trump down are fools.

For Christ sake if you have to bash Trump at least wait until he gets the Republican nomination.

All you are doing by bashing Trump now is helping the Spawn of Satan Himself.

http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz359/Dog_of_the_Earth/ted_cruz6.jpg (http://s843.photobucket.com/user/Dog_of_the_Earth/media/ted_cruz6.jpg.html)

Good Post.

Cruz is far more dangerous than Trump in the White House.

It's not just policy people. This man is truly a megalomaniac, he's not someone you want in charge of the most powerful country on earth.

BTW, I never throw around psychological terms like the dolt in the street. I mean this in a reasoned and considered way.

it blows my mind that I have never heard it spoken to or considered

[donquixote99]

I agree that Cruz may be more dangerous. Sort of like a person out to drive into a bridge pillar on purpose is more dangerous than a person who drives so recklessly he is 99% certain to drive into something.

[finnbow]

WOW!

You really think I support, everyone who supports Trump because is simply indulging their dark side?

This is a shocking post from you.

Frankly, you are better than this. :(

You know, sometimes people just disagree.
We all have our own perspective.

We all interpret things differently.

Two people can view the same action and come away with a different understanding of what took place. ;)

I'm saying how I would feel if I found myself drawn to Trump and his rhetoric. I would feel the same way if I lived in England, Germany, France or Hungary and found myself drawn to the new right-wing populism there too. I'm guess I just find racist, xenophobic and misogynist rhetoric repulsive, the same way I feel about authoritarians (like Putin and Erdoğan) and authoritarian wannabes like Trump. YMMV.

[noonereal]

One of my (many) cousins went to a Trump rally, recently. He reported back exactly as you said; Trump started the rally, pointing around the room and saying things like; "Are those Democrats over there? Get them out.", "See that guy right there? Out. Just throw'em all the hell out." and so on until they were all gone.

..

You don't think maybe he could see the disturbances from the stage best?

or are you suggesting he is making it up and he is removing his supporters for theater?

BTW, which candidates don't have protesters removed?

I thought this common (to remove disruptive folks) but then again I don't attend political rallies.

[donquixote99]

You don't think maybe he could see the disturbances from the stage best?

or are you suggesting he is making it up and he is removing his supporters for theater?

BTW, which candidates don't have protesters removed?

I thought this common (to remove disruptive folks) but then again I don't attend political rallies.

You are loyal to your leader.

[noonereal]

I'm saying how I would feel if I found myself drawn to Trump and his rhetoric. I would feel the same way if I lived in England, Germany, France or Hungary and found myself drawn to the new right-wing populism there too. YMMV.

fair, as I said, I seem to have a different perspective.

I see it as "new way to campaign." Reality TV at it's best.

When Trump was humping his steaks and wines I roared with laughter. It's exactly the kind of thing I have done when an aspersion has been throw at me.

I absolutely love the show and I take it as theater. Then I look at the man, I look at his kids. I know much of his past. He's not at all racists. He's not at all right wing.

I recall when he did the wollman rink in central park. I mean, he got it done!
I like his approach, everything is a deal. he starts from extreme position to get where he wants to get.

I see tons of good and without the "show" he'd have zero chance. Not because of what his policies are but because it's a machine. Another suit on the stage that could not possible win since he is not in the GOP stable.

He has got to do what he's doing if he is to have a chance.

[BlueStreak]

Good Post.

Cruz is far more dangerous than Trump in the White House.

It's not just policy people. This man is truly a megalomaniac, he's not someone you want in charge of the most powerful country on earth.

BTW, I never throw around psychological terms like the dolt in the street. I mean this in a reasoned and considered way.

it blows my mind that I have never heard it spoken to or considered

I agree that Cruz may be more dangerous. Sort of like a person out to drive into a bridge pillar on purpose is more dangerous than a person who drives so recklessly he is 99% certain to drive into something.

True, Cruz adds the element of religious fanaticism. But, sorry, choosing between Ghengis Khan or the Ayatollah Khomeini is not a "choice". I oppose both. Hell, I'd rather have Hillary and her corrupt ways than either one of these lunatics.

[finnbow]

As for Trump not inciting or defending violence among his supporters,

Republican front-runner Donald Trump said Sunday that he has told his staff to "look into" paying legal fees for a man who allegedly sucker-punched a protester at a recent rally, standing behind his controversial promise to help defend supporters who stand up to protesters.

Videos surfaced last week showing a white, 78-year-old Trump supporter apparently striking a black 26-year-old protester at a March 9 rally. The elderly man has been charged with assault and disorderly conduct and is due in court next month.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/03/13/trump-looking-into-paying-legal-fees-for-man-charged-with-assault-at-rally/

[noonereal]

You are loyal to your leader.

It comes with age... when I was young I was a bit wild. Went though a couple women. Good women. Not right. Too much testosterone.

But yeah, I am loyal to my significant now. Took me a long time to grow up but... oh wait, you mean Donald?

Well, I kinda resent that I can't post something objective, from my perspective and be accused of being on a train I am not on. I am definitely in the station but the only trains I am sure not to board are the Rubio special and the Rafael express.
Yeah, OK, two nights ago I even bought a ticket... I was so pissed... but still I am not supporting Trump, I am definitely seeing things different than my center left friends though.

[noonereal]

As for Trump not inciting or defending violence among his supporters,

Republican front-runner Donald Trump said Sunday that he has told his staff to "look into" paying legal fees for a man who allegedly sucker-punched a protester at a recent rally, standing behind his controversial promise to help defend supporters who stand up to protesters.

Videos surfaced last week showing a white, 78-year-old Trump supporter apparently striking a black 26-year-old protester at a March 9 rally. The elderly man has been charged with assault and disorderly conduct and is due in court next month.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/03/13/trump-looking-into-paying-legal-fees-for-man-charged-with-assault-at-rally/

What does "look into mean."

I do not support Trump if he pays legal fees for a man who sucker punches another.

[finnbow]

fair, as I said, I seem to have a different perspective.

I see it as "new way to campaign." Reality TV at it's best.

When Trump was humping his steaks and wines I roared with laughter. It's exactly the kind of thing I have done when an aspersion has been throw at me.

I absolutely love the show and I take it as theater. Then I look at the man, I look at his kids. I know much of his past. He's not at all racists. He's not at all right wing.

I recall when he did the wollman rink in central park. I mean, he got it done!
I like his approach, everything is a deal. he starts from extreme position to get where he wants to get.

I see tons of good and without the "show" he'd have zero chance. Not because of what his policies are but because it's a machine. Another suit on the stage that could not possible win since he is not in the GOP stable.

He has got to do what he's doing if he is to have a chance.

After doing what he has done, he deserves no chance.

On the bright side, if he gets the nomination, he may well break up the unholy alliance of today's GOP - the callous rich and the angry, racist bubbas they've been feeding red meat to for 50 years.

[noonereal]

True, Cruz adds the element of religious fanaticism. But, sorry, choosing between Ghengis Khan or the Ayatollah Khomeini is not a "choice". I oppose both. Hell, I'd rather have Hillary and her corrupt ways than either one of these lunatics.

I am not referring to his talks with God. That is also very troubling.

Frankly, it's mind blowing at how religion is accepted in spite of it's fantasy elements. We know people are talk to GOd and think nothing of it yet if someone talks to an invisible man not associated with religion we all stay clear. WTF is that about?

[Pio1980]

The dog whistle is saying "make America white again".
Between the huckster's birther bullshit and the Pubs' stonewalling the sitting POTUS since day one, the central theme seems pretty clear.

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[noonereal]

On the bright side, if he gets the nomination, he may well break up the unholy alliance of today's GOP - the callous rich and the angry, racist bubbas they've been feeding red meat to for 50 years.

and your telling me that's not worth it? :)

[Pio1980]

I am not referring to his talks with God. That is also very troubling.

Frankly, it's mind blowing at how religion is accepted in spite of it's fantasy elements. We know people are talk to GOd and think nothing of it yet if someone talks to an invisible man not associated with religion we all stay clear. WTF is that about?

Being delusional isn't specifically mentioned in the Constitution. OTOH, some pretty silly crap can pass as religion here.

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[BlueStreak]

I'm saying how I would feel if I found myself drawn to Trump and his rhetoric. I would feel the same way if I lived in England, Germany, France or Hungary and found myself drawn to the new right-wing populism there too. I'm guess I just find racist, xenophobic and misogynist rhetoric repulsive, the same way I feel about authoritarians (like Putin and Erdoğan) and authoritarian wannabes like Trump. YMMV.

Exactly. Give me the boring suit who talks policy and appeals to my higher thoughts any and every day of the week. Running this country is not a joke, a game or a cage match. It's not a show, it's real. Bad leaders elected for the wrong reasons cause unnecessary wars, get people killed, ruin economies...

Look at the reasons why people voted for GWB; He's a "born again Christian", he's "Folksy", he's "likeable", he "Loves the troops", he "Loves America"........He's also a fucking moron.

People support Trump because he's entertaining? How stupid is that? Sorry, Noone, but it is. Do we choose a president to entertain us or represent us? They support him because he says what they think? That's Populism. Yes, our leaders are supposed to represent us, but they're also supposed to lead. Not just go along with whatever stupid, half-baked notion is popular with an enraged populace, at any given moment. Walls, forcing people to carry religious ID badges and bombing the shit out of whoever pisses us off?

Come on, man.

[BlueStreak]

I am not referring to his talks with God. That is also very troubling.

Frankly, it's mind blowing at how religion is accepted in spite of it's fantasy elements. We know people are talk to GOd and think nothing of it yet if someone talks to an invisible man not associated with religion we all stay clear. WTF is that about?

Beats me, Dude. Like people who claim to love freedom and hate being told what to do are the most law abiding, church going among us. They hate rules and being told what to do, but they are the most obedient rule followers and attend church every Sunday seeking even more rules, enforced by the threat of eternal damnation from a "God" that they are utterly at the mercy of......:confused:

Go figure.

[Pio1980]

Like I'd choose P. T. Barnum for Prez because the huckster puts on a show?
You want a show? This is a SHOW!!
https://youtu.be/GHs2coAzLJ8
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[donquixote99]

True, Cruz adds the element of religious fanaticism. But, sorry, choosing between Ghengis Khan or the Ayatollah Khomeini is not a "choice". I oppose both. Hell, I'd rather have Hillary and her corrupt ways than either one of these lunatics.

That pretty much was my point.

[donquixote99]

It comes with age... when I was young I was a bit wild. Went though a couple women. Good women. Not right. Too much testosterone.

But yeah, I am loyal to my significant now. Took me a long time to grow up but... oh wait, you mean Donald?

Well, I kinda resent that I can't post something objective, from my perspective and be accused of being on a train I am not on. I am definitely in the station but the only trains I am sure not to board are the Rubio special and the Rafael express.
Yeah, OK, two nights ago I even bought a ticket... I was so pissed... but still I am not supporting Trump, I am definitely seeing things different than my center left friends though.

You post #52, seemed to me, was not objective, but bent pretty far backward to make excuses for Trump. That is what prompted my comment.

Glad to hear you're still not quite hopping on the train. It's easier to get on than to get off....

[donquixote99]

Exactly. Give me the boring suit who talks policy and appeals to my higher thoughts any and every day of the week. Running this country is not a joke, a game or a cage match. It's not a show, it's real. Bad leaders elected for the wrong reasons cause unnecessary wars, get people killed, ruin economies...

Look at the reasons why people voted for GWB; He's a "born again Christian", he's "Folksy", he's "likeable", he "Loves the troops", he "Loves America"........He's also a fucking moron.

People support Trump because he's entertaining? How stupid is that? Sorry, Noone, but it is. Do we choose a president to entertain us or represent us? They support him because he says what they think? That's Populism. Yes, our leaders are supposed to represent us, but they're also supposed to lead. Not just go along with whatever stupid, half-baked notion is popular with an enraged populace, at any given moment. Walls, forcing people to carry religious ID badges and bombing the shit out of whoever pisses us off?

Come on, man.

Very well-said.

[Boreas]

You don't think maybe he could see the disturbances from the stage best?

or are you suggesting he is making it up and he is removing his supporters for theater?

BTW, which candidates don't have protesters removed?

I thought this common (to remove disruptive folks) but then again I don't attend political rallies.

Their "disturbance" was merely being there, Ed.

Really, you should be ashamed of yourself.

[Boreas]

As for Trump not inciting or defending violence among his supporters,

[I]Republican front-runner Donald Trump said Sunday that he has told his staff to "look into" paying legal fees for a man who allegedly sucker-punched a protester at a recent rally, standing behind his controversial promise to help defend supporters who stand up to protesters

On other occasions when he has exhorted his "fans" to "Set 'em outa here" he has followed up with, "Don't worry. I'll pay the legal fees." In other words, he's giving his Brown Shirts" permission to physically harm the people they don't like.

He started doing this long before that NC redneck sucker punched (black) protester. Gee, you don't suppose that asshole was thinking about that when he punched that kid, do you?

[BlueStreak]

Their "disturbance" was merely being there, Ed.

Really, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Yep. Now that I have a relative who attended and reported back, I have reasonable confirmation of this.

[Boreas]

Yep. Now that I have a relative who attended and reported back, I have reasonable confirmation of this.

This is old news.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/08/politics/donald-trump-muslim-woman-protesting-ejected/

[Ike Bana]

I am a much more fervent Trump supporter today than I was yesterday and frankly I don't care what his policies are. I am not pro Trump, I am anti everybody currently in Washington and business as usual and Trump is the only shot we have at a true outsider.

Flush out your headgear. Trump is a con-artist. He knows who's support he's going for, the bigoted and the braindead. He also know that his opposition in the GOP, can't call him a bigot or a panderer to the braindead, because that, in effect, calls all his supporters bigots and braindead, and the GOP has put itself in the position where it can't compete without the support of the bigots and the braindead.

He's not even an outsider. An outsider would be one who actually wants the job in order to revolutionize the government. Trump doesn't want to revolutionize anything. He's an egotistical con-artist who wants the one thing that will inflate his neurotic ego to a point he's been dreaming of for decades. He wants to be able to say to himself, "I'm the President of the United States of America." And in 4 years after he's wrecked the country, not done anything to fulfill his promise of being an outsider, and he's thrown out of office, he wants to be able to say to himself, "I was the President of the United States of America." He's not even interested is saying, "I'm the President of the United States of America.", to anybody but himelf. He doesn't give a shit what anybody else wants, needs, or thinks of him. Which all you people desiring an outsider will find out within a month of your putting him in.

This is the outsider you want?

[sheltiedave]

have been at rallies where a protester is given his fifteen seconds to speak, politely, and answered, politely. This still is a democratic society, where differing views are respected and heard, and folks of presidential timber have learned it from years of work. Trump has not.

If the protesters want to chant, give them half a minute, and then politely ask them to depart the rally. there is a certain decorum that goes along with being civil, and it is a patient calm.

Turning immediately to bombast, bum rushing the protesters out, giving vent to scathing invective, urging folks to get busy with them physically, and creating standing offers to pay legal fees because they deserve a beatdown would be immediate cause for eliminating the speaker as Presidential timber a decade ago. Apparently that criteria no longer applies, which is why so many foreign governments are dismayed Trump is in the lead. I never thought we would tend so right toward a night of Brown Shirts on the right, but a couple decades of breeding hatred in the US has down the trick.

[Boreas]

Turning immediately to bombast, bum rushing the protesters out, giving vent to scathing invective, urging folks to get busy with them physically, and creating standing offers to pay legal fees because they deserve a beatdown would be immediate cause for eliminating the speaker as Presidential timber a decade ago. Apparently that criteria no longer applies, which is why so many foreign governments are dismayed Trump is in the lead. I never thought we would tend so right toward a night of Brown Shirts on the right, but a couple decades of breeding hatred in the US has down the trick.

It has, Dave, and Trump's eventual defeat won't put an end to it. We have a lot of very hard work to do here. It will take a long time and, frankly, it will probably get worse before it gets better. There will be severe and violent backlash from Trump's "fans" when he goes down.

I'm just about to turn 71 and I doubt I'll ever live in a decent America ever again but I hope I'll at least be able to console myself that at least we're headed in the right direction. Right now we're not.

[Pio1980]

This is the Republican base that always was.

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[noonereal]

People support Trump because he's entertaining? How stupid is that?

Very stupid.

You did read why I support him right?

That he entertains me is a sidebar.

peace brother

[noonereal]

Really, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Ya think?

I gotta tell ya, I am pretty confident in my evaluations and wants.

I spend as much time defending Hillary as Trump (here defending Hill is not needed) ... folks with closed minds only see things one way, they only look rationally in one direction.

They jump headfirst into confirmation bias and try to marginalize opposing views...

I reject the modern template of "what a president should be" because it comes with such big downsides.

I can understand people rejecting Trump. If you take him literally it's hard if not impossible for a reasonewd mind to support him.

What I don't get... for the umpteenth time is the fixation on Trump (like mine on Palin) when a bigger problem from the GOP is Rafael Cruz.

[Boreas]

I reject the modern template of "what a president should be" because it comes with such big downsides.

"So those were my laughable moments. Trump was about to come out. We had our signs ready. We were going to go all out. Yelling and screaming and whatnot. Because, why else were we there if not to join the spectacle? He comes out. People go crazy. For the first twenty to thirty minutes I sat there with high expectations of hilarity. After half an hour, my feelings turned extremely grim. I was scared and upset. Let me explain..."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/11/1499735/-Trump-Rally-No-Joking-Matter

[barbara]

It has, Dave, and Trump's eventual defeat won't put an end to it. We have a lot of very hard work to do here. It will take a long time and, frankly, it will probably get worse before it gets better. There will be severe and violent backlash from Trump's "fans" when he goes down.

I'm just about to turn 71 and I doubt I'll ever live in a decent America ever again but I hope I'll at least be able to console myself that at least we're headed in the right direction. Right now we're not.



Unfortunately, you are probably right. Add the gun culture to that severe and violent backlash mentality and we have a recipe for disaster.

[noonereal]

"So those were my laughable moments. Trump was about to come out. We had our signs ready. We were going to go all out. Yelling and screaming and whatnot. Because, why else were we there if not to join the spectacle? He comes out. People go crazy. For the first twenty to thirty minutes I sat there with high expectations of hilarity. After half an hour, my feelings turned extremely grim. I was scared and upset. Let me explain..."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/11/1499735/-Trump-Rally-No-Joking-Matter

Thanks for the link John but honest, you are better than this. ;)

Do I really need point out it's lack of validity?

I get your point. You believe Trump markets, as Bush did BTW, to those who have previously felt left out and are filled with resentment. (who do you think Palin appealed to?) He does it with bombast. Don't vote for him. I am perfectly fine with that. The anti Christ? I am not buying it.

You honestly think these crowds worse than the McCain crowds?

[Boreas]

You honestly think these crowds worse than the McCain crowds?

Completely irrelevant.

[sheltiedave]

My first real taste of the bigotry and country hick nature of the Republican party came when the Dixie Chicks said they were ashamed that George Bush was from the same state they were(Texas,) and all of the sudden 70% of the country stations dropped them from the playlist, effective immediately.

I thought, damn, that was fast. Then I learned more, and suddenly a light went on. Once you hit the wrong note(or the right one) you can get a majority of half the country stampeding your way. It doesn't matter who you are, you just have to ring that bell, and ring it loudly.

Trump knows exactly how to ring the bell, and he can ring it loudly by being the largest bigot amongst the candidates. The more he takes hits on his outrageous positions, the more the hicks, bigots, and "angry Amuricans" love him.

He also employs the EIB techniques that Rush exemplifies, again and again, by claiming the moral high ground that all the other media is against him, and big business as well(right, from one of our few billionaires), setting up the straw men arguments left and right.

[icenine]

The thing is Limbaugh cannot speak in a crowd of people...his routine can only be done in a studio alone where the only opposition is his microphone. He cannot carry himself in open debate.
I think Trump is the same way on policy. Once he has an opponent who is not afraid to contradict him with facts he is going to implode. Hillary is going to emasculate him.


Remember how Rand Paul took him to school on the TTP? Just wait to someone with a brain starts to debate Trump without any stake in the game vis-a-vis winning over potential Trump primary voters.

[BlueStreak]

This is old news.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/08/politics/donald-trump-muslim-woman-protesting-ejected/

All I'm getting at is that I now know somebody whose word I trust that has gone to a Trump rally and shared what he saw. I put that on a higher level than what I read in the media. That's all.

[BlueStreak]

Flush out your headgear. Trump is a con-artist. He knows who's support he's going for, the bigoted and the braindead. He also know that his opposition in the GOP, can't call him a bigot or a panderer to the braindead, because that, in effect, calls all his supporters bigots and braindead, and the GOP has put itself in the position where it can't compete without the support of the bigots and the braindead.

He's not even an outsider. An outsider would be one who actually wants the job in order to revolutionize the government. Trump doesn't want to revolutionize anything. He's an egotistical con-artist who wants the one thing that will inflate his neurotic ego to a point he's been dreaming of for decades. He wants to be able to say to himself, "I'm the President of the United States of America." And in 4 years after he's wrecked the country, not done anything to fulfill his promise of being an outsider, and he's thrown out of office, he wants to be able to say to himself, "I was the President of the United States of America." He's not even interested is saying, "I'm the President of the United States of America.", to anybody but himelf. He doesn't give a shit what anybody else wants, needs, or thinks of him. Which all you people desiring an outsider will find out within a month of your putting him in.

This is the outsider you want?

Exactly. All I would like to add, is this;

It also puts him in a prime position to be the ultimate crony capitalist. He's already spoken of cabinet appointments for his favorite business associates. Icahn was one he mentioned, the rest escape me right now.

The fox hired to guard the henhouse, Fellas.

[noonereal]

Completely irrelevant.

thank you

I agree

but

when selling a situation as unique a comparison can add clarity.

[noonereal]

Exactly. All I would like to add, is this;

It also puts him in a prime position to be the ultimate crony capitalist. He's already spoken of cabinet appointments for his favorite business associates. Icahn was one he mentioned, the rest escape me right now.

The fox hired to guard the henhouse, Fellas.

so in many regards it is business as usual

i.e. Dick Cheney

A much better reason to not favor Trump than the hysteria train many are on.

[Ike Bana]

Completely irrelevant.

Amazing that you are thinking your equating of child abuse in the Catholic church to Islamist rapists in Africa and the ME is any more relevant than this..:rolleyes:

[Boreas]

Amazing that you are thinking your equating of child abuse in the Catholic church to Islamist rapists in Africa and the ME is any more relevant than this..:rolleyes:

I didn't. Try again.

[Ike Bana]

I didn't. Try again.

Oh please, john. You believe any tripe you put up here is more relevant than anybody else's.

[Boreas]

Oh please, john. You believe any tripe you put up here is more relevant than anybody else's.

Won't work, Alan.

[whell]

I'm starting to like Trump. If John dislikes a candidate this much, he's got to be good. :)

[Pio1980]

The only thing to like about Trump is his fracturing of the regressives.

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[noonereal]

I'm starting to like Trump.

Those orders may never come so don't get too attached.

John is passionate. Period. Very pitbul like.

The guy I'd want to win over to champion my cause.

[finnbow]

I'm starting to like Trump.

No surprise here. I knew you were a Trump supporter before you did.;)

[Boreas]

Those orders may never come so don't get too attached.

John is passionate. Period. Very pitbul like.

The guy I'd want to win over to champion my cause.

Fugedabadit

[noonereal]

Fugedabadit

lol :)

[Ike Bana]

Fugedabadit

Where TF are you from? New Canaan? It's fuggedaboudit.