Gulf Oil Spill...

[Sandy G]

Xxxxxxx

[Charles]

Watched a couple of the Sunday morning Argle-Bargle chat shows, & apparently, NOBODY still has a feckin' clue...The chat shows were trying to decide Who's To Blame, & NOTHING I heard leads me to believe that ANYBODY has anymore ideas on 1) How it started, & 2)How to STOP it than they did 4 weeks ago. You blithering idiots-For once, quick feckin' playin' "Who Shot John" WORK TOGETHER & get it stopped, whydoncha ?!? THEN we can figger out whose fault it was...Personally, I'd like to see Hoosain Jug Head, the heads of BP, Halliburton, Chimpy McHalliburton Bushitler, the "Owner" of the rig, the head of the agency that signed off on this fiasco, ANYBODY who had anything to do w/this shyte dancin' on the end of a rope...

Well, this has turned out was worse than first reported. But I can't tell if everyone's playing politics or it's just the media that's doing so.

I would imagine that BP's doing all that they can, for no other reason than they're the one on the hook. But I agree, let's get it fixed...plenty of time to play the blame game later.

Wait a minute...there's an election in less than six months...time's of the essence!!!

Chas

[j_b_rainey]

This is our Chernobyl disaster and we will feel its effects for decades. :(

[Grumpy]

This is our Chernobyl disaster and we will feel its effects for decades. :(


I agree to some extent. This is a huge diasaster.

[merrylander]

Wait a minute folks, it was simply an accident and no one's fault - we have Rand Paul's word for it. It was a simple accident just like the mine disaster in West Virginia.:rolleyes:

[finnbow]

Wait a minute folks, it was simply an accident and no one's fault - we have Rand Paul's word for it. It was a simple accident just like the mine disaster in West Virginia.:rolleyes:

I'm waiting for Pat Robertson to say that it's God's retribution for New Orleans having so many gays and being the birthplace of the devil's music.

[piece-itpete]

Who's the ass from our current Admin that said 'we're keeping a boot on BPs neck'? That's facist talk.

I agree it's a huge disaster and perhaps worse than we think. So WHY ISN'T THE FREAKIN NAVY OUT THERE?

All our master says is that it's BPs responsibility.

Pete

[finnbow]

Who's the ass from our current Admin that said 'we're keeping a boot on BPs neck'? That's facist talk.

I agree it's a huge disaster and perhaps worse than we think. So WHY ISN'T THE FREAKIN NAVY OUT THERE?

All our master says is that it's BPs responsibility.

Pete

Unfortunately, the oil companies are the only ones with the technology to do deep ocean drilling (however limited it may be). Apparently, the best well blowout specialists in the world are on the scene. However, none of them has experience working in water a mile deep. The Navy would be nothing more than a show of force, not technological know-how.

[piece-itpete]

You'd be surprised what the Navy is capable of in deep water.

Pete

[sanse]

I heard this morning that BP has allocated, hundreds of millions of dollars, to research what the effects are going to be on the environment in the future.

BP needs to use that money here and now, to stop the spread of the devastation. The economy is bad enough, now alot of people can't work.

I heard one fishermen on the radio today ask a BP representative, "How are you going to give me back my heritage, I may never be able to support my family again in my lifetime."

[finnbow]

Though I'm sure some of you aren't fans of Maureen Dowd, her article (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/26/opinion/26dowd.html?hp) today hits the nail on the head.

[merrylander]

Natural gas producers are just as bad, there is something known as the Haliburton loophole, inserted by the same Duke of Halburton, that exempts gas producers from EPA rules governing groundwater contamination. There is a process call 'frakking' where they introduce high pressure water and chemicals into the ground to fracture the rock and release the gas. There is a big gas field in Colorado where this is going on, as if Colorado did not have enough problems with groundwater.

[Fast_Eddie]

Yeah, that's a good article.

[finnbow]

Here's another one (http://www.theonion.com/articles/bp-pledges-to-continue-being-huge-profitable-corpo,17510/).

I guess for satire to be funny, it has to be based on truth.:(

[piece-itpete]

Lol!

I like the 'remajestification' too, 'get out there and comb those bears' is killing me.

Pete

[finnbow]

Lol!

I like the 'remajestification' too, 'get out there and comb those bears' is killing me.

Pete

How about "I sure wouldn't want to be the one to drain Old Faithful and clean the trap, but I'm glad someone is doing it.":D

[stereocuuple]

boycott all B.P. products and seize all the co. assets in the us. arrest the co. leaders and put them on trial. place all the assets in trust for the clean up and "recovery"

[Grumpy]

boycott all B.P. products and seize all the co. assets in the us. arrest the co. leaders and put them on trial. place all the assets in trust for the clean up and "recovery"


Eric for prez !

[d-ray657]

boycott all B.P. products and seize all the co. assets in the us. arrest the co. leaders and put them on trial. place all the assets in trust for the clean up and "recovery"

Socialist!!:D

Regards,

D-Ray

[finnbow]

boycott all B.P. products and seize all the co. assets in the us. arrest the co. leaders and put them on trial. place all the assets in trust for the clean up and "recovery"

... and boycott Exxon for the Valdez oil spill and Citgo because of Hugo Chavez. Then hope like hell there's another station when you're low on gas.

[d-ray657]

What we need more than a boycott is a national weening process. There have been statements around here about the US being a nation on the decline. Whose to say we wouldn't become stronger and happier if we broke the addiction to some of the conveniences and comforts of life. Has it made our lives better to be able to swing through Mickey D's and get two all beef patties and all of that other stuff? Are people happy working extra to make the car payments on a $40K SUV? Do we need to be able to play spades on our cell phones? Do we really need solid state stereo equipment? How important to us is that four dollar cup of Starbucks? Is there space on our walls for more flat panel TVs? Just askin' . . .

Regards,

D-Ray

[Charles]

What we need more than a boycott is a national weening process. There have been statements around here about the US being a nation on the decline. Whose to say we wouldn't become stronger and happier if we broke the addiction to some of the conveniences and comforts of life. Has it made our lives better to be able to swing through Mickey D's and get two all beef patties and all of that other stuff? Are people happy working extra to make the car payments on a $40K SUV? Do we need to be able to play spades on our cell phones? Do we really need solid state stereo equipment? How important to us is that four dollar cup of Starbucks? Is there space on our walls for more flat panel TVs? Just askin' . . .

Regards,

D-Ray

I see no need for solid state stereo equipment. Except for maybe my Van Alstine Pat-5, of course.

BTW, what's Starbucks coffee taste like?

Chas

[d-ray657]

I see no need for solid state stereo equipment. Except for maybe my Van Alstine Pat-5, of course.

BTW, what's Starbucks coffee taste like?

Chas

That first line was for you Chas - and the rest of you tube junkies. BTW, I just picked up a little solid state Sonance power amp. It's a nice clean sound, but I tell you, the 60 WPC on that and the 60 WPC on my Sansui 5000X are from two different eras.:confused:

As far as how Starbucks tastes - worse then Heiniken:D

Regards,

D-Ray

[Sandy G]

I had a Starfuck's once in Knoxville, it was syrupy sweet, kinda gritty, about the consistency of what you drain out of yr crankcase if you've let it go too long. I imagine it prolly tasted about the same if you'd loaded up that stuff w/enuff sugar to make it sweet...

[merrylander]

Someone forgot to tell Starbucks that you roast the beans, you don't burn them to a crisp.

[finnbow]

Someone forgot to tell Starbucks that you roast the beans, you don't burn them to a crisp.

+1. Their espresso drinks are fine, but their regular coffee is way over-roasted. And all of it is far too expensive.

[merrylander]

Watching the Newshour last evening and saw one Louisianian complaining that Obama sould be down there daily giving them all a briefing. Being POTUS is a thankless job between the economy, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, North Korea, etc. and etc. he should be down there holding Jindal's hand? Maybe he could put on a diving suit and go down and cap the effing well.

[finnbow]

Wouldn't you think that the erstwhile GOP poster boy Jindal would say he didn't want and wouldn't accept any Federal help? That would surely buff up his party bona fides.

[Charles]

That first line was for you Chas - and the rest of you tube junkies. BTW, I just picked up a little solid state Sonance power amp. It's a nice clean sound, but I tell you, the 60 WPC on that and the 60 WPC on my Sansui 5000X are from two different eras.:confused:

As far as how Starbucks tastes - worse then Heiniken:D

Regards,

D-Ray

Is the Sonance a power or an intergrated? I'm assuming the Sansui has more power? And which do you prefer?

Can't understand why you SS fans think you need all of that power anyway...you're only listening to the first couple of watts.

And making fun of my beer!!! Are you saying that Heineken is the Bose of the beer world???

Chas

[Charles]

Wouldn't you think that the erstwhile GOP poster boy Jindal would say he didn't want and wouldn't accept any Federal help? That would surely buff up his party bona fides.

I thought Jindal wanted the COE to quit dicking around with their environmental study and give him permission to build a berm. While Ears is out golfing.

Not that it much matters at this point.

Chas

[merrylander]

Best estimate that I heard for wee Bobby's barrier island build was six months.

[Charles]

Perhaps it wouldn't work at all. Perhaps Jindal is only playing politics.

But it is his job to see that everything that can be done is being done, and a quickly as possible.

Chas

[d-ray657]

Is the Sonance a power or an intergrated? I'm assuming the Sansui has more power? And which do you prefer?

Can't understand why you SS fans think you need all of that power anyway...you're only listening to the first couple of watts.

And making fun of my beer!!! Are you saying that Heineken is the Bose of the beer world???

Chas

It's a power amp. I used a NAK receiver with a bad power section as a pre. It was a nice clean sound, but I didn't expect it to beat the Sui. It didn't. My AR-93s are kinda power hungry, and the Sui handles them with ease, but the Sonance strained a bit. I'll try it out with some Klipsch later.

Not picking on you Chas, just your beer. I'm not really fond of any of the Miller products. BTW, I'm not a Starbucks drinker. I've told you all how much of a cheapskate I am. Beside, I like Maxwell House French Roast much better. Get a (shrunken) pound of that for about what two cups of Starbucks would cost. (Ever notice that the cans that used to be a pound are now 13 oz.)

Sorry to get so far OT. If we tried harder to change our energy consumption habits now, before we are forced to, we might have a smoother transition.

Regards,

D-Ray

[BlueStreak]

Are people happy working extra to make the car payments on a $40K SUV?

Do we really need solid state stereo equipment?
Regards,

D-Ray


Uh, SUV? No. Muscle Car? Yes.:D

And on the stereo question? I can't believe you asked that question in the midst of this crowd, Donald! Now, if you had asked, "Do we really need I-pods?"----Uh, NO!:p

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Someone forgot to tell Starbucks that you roast the beans, you don't burn them to a crisp.

Oh, don't get me started on Starbucks......yuck. Duncan Donuts or even 7-11 coffee is way better and at half the price. We roast Duncan at the plant. Bought at the store it's good. But at work we take it right out of the roaster, put it in a bag and let it de-gas for two hours then grind it up and brew it.

You guys wouldn't believe the difference. When coffee, even the lower line stuff, is that fresh------it is incredible!

(I've had the opportunity to do this with Kona and Jamaica Blue Mountain as well.:D)

Regards,
Dave

[Charles]

It's a power amp. I used a NAK receiver with a bad power section as a pre. It was a nice clean sound, but I didn't expect it to beat the Sui. It didn't. My AR-93s are kinda power hungry, and the Sui handles them with ease, but the Sonance strained a bit. I'll try it out with some Klipsch later.

Not picking on you Chas, just your beer. I'm not really fond of any of the Miller products. BTW, I'm not a Starbucks drinker. I've told you all how much of a cheapskate I am. Beside, I like Maxwell House French Roast much better. Get a (shrunken) pound of that for about what two cups of Starbucks would cost. (Ever notice that the cans that used to be a pound are now 13 oz.)

Sorry to get so far OT. If we tried harder to change our energy consumption habits now, before we are forced to, we might have a smoother transition.

Regards,

D-Ray

AR-93, kewl!!! Only Klipsch I've ever owned were some KG-4's. They were pretty good, considering. The Nak may be holding you back, whenever I switched to the Van Alstine from a Carver C-1 there was a noticable improvement.

I never could stomach Low Life either. Especially in the clear bottles. Low Life bought out Heineken??? Is nothing sacred????

I know what you mean about the shrinking coffee can...the old sausage game. Kind of like a "new and improved" candy bar. The only thing that's improved is the cordboard liner in the package, it's grown bigger while the candy bar has grown smaller.

BTW, you will be proud of me as I just blew at least another 10R worth of FG in my attic. Supposedly I should have an R40 value now, but I think the insulators stiffed me when I built my house. Probably only an R35 at best.

Insulation is one of the most economically feasible projects a homeowner can do. I figure a payback in app 2 years.

I'm pretty green myself, whenever the money's right. Even have my RRP certification. Probably price me out of existence, but that's the price of being legal.

Chas

[BlueStreak]

(Ever notice that the cans that used to be a pound are now 13 oz.)
Regards,

D-Ray


And the "three pound" can is 33-39 oz..........

Some manufacturers have started "fluffing". You will be getting even less for the same price. They say you can get the same number of cups out of it but I found that what they are calling a cup of "fluffed" coffee to be pretty weak. I think most people will be using more of it to get the stronger brew.

But, what the hell do I know? I'm just a wrench monkey..........:rolleyes:

Regards,
Dave

[Charles]

Watched a couple of the Sunday morning Argle-Bargle chat shows, & apparently, NOBODY still has a feckin' clue...The chat shows were trying to decide Who's To Blame, & NOTHING I heard leads me to believe that ANYBODY has anymore ideas on 1) How it started, & 2)How to STOP it than they did 4 weeks ago. You blithering idiots-For once, quick feckin' playin' "Who Shot John" WORK TOGETHER & get it stopped, whydoncha ?!? THEN we can figger out whose fault it was...Personally, I'd like to see Hoosain Jug Head, the heads of BP, Halliburton, Chimpy McHalliburton Bushitler, the "Owner" of the rig, the head of the agency that signed off on this fiasco, ANYBODY who had anything to do w/this shyte dancin' on the end of a rope...

You know what, you got it right from the git go.

Chas

[stereocuuple]

... and boycott Exxon for the Valdez oil spill and Citgo because of Hugo Chavez. Then hope like hell there's another station when you're low on gas.

for your info. erin and i sold our truck when we moved to a city that has more than enough public transit. we have not bought a gallon of gas in 4 months. and we never will for any reason other than to go see our families. we also buy all our goods within walking distance. as well as live without AC in our apt the savings are huge and we are doing our best to curb our energy consumption.

what you had better hope like hell for is another planet for you grand kids to live on.

have you ever been to alaska i lived in the area around the prince willam sound
it should be a crime to even say the word exxon. you can talk down to me when some drunk fucking asshole destroyes the place you live and work.

there perhaps we can get this thread back on track

[stereocuuple]

Socialist!!:D

Regards,

D-Ray

as for you go suck a transistor:D LOL

[d-ray657]

Uh, SUV? No. Muscle Car? Yes.:D

And on the stereo question? I can't believe you asked that question in the midst of this crowd, Donald! Now, if you had asked, "Do we really need I-pods?"----Uh, NO!:p

Dave

Just seeing if you were paying attention - also note that I limited it to solid state.

Regards,

D-Ray

[BlueStreak]

for your info. erin and i sold our truck when we moved to a city that has more than enough public transit. we have not bought a gallon of gas in 4 months. and we never will for any reason other than to go see our families. we also buy all our goods within walking distance. as well as live without AC in our apt the savings are huge and we are doing our best to curb our energy consumption.

what you had better hope like hell for is another planet for you grand kids to live on.

have you ever been to alaska i lived in the area around the prince willam sound
it should be a crime to even say the word exxon. you can talk down to me when some drunk fucking asshole destroyes the place you live and work.

there perhaps we can get this thread back on track

So, hows it feel to be a tree hugger?:p

Regards,
Dave

[merrylander]

Well my car got to actually hit the road last night when I took my bride to dinner since it was her birthday. Otherwise it may be another month before it sees action again.

[Sandy G]

Dah-Yum, Rob, you're barely doin' enuff to keep the battry charged...

[stereocuuple]

Well my car got to actually hit the road last night when I took my bride to dinner since it was her birthday. Otherwise it may be another month before it sees action again.

please pass along our wishes for a happy birthday

Eric & Erin

[Charles]

Is BP still running those "Green" commercials?

Chas

[hillbilly]

Speakin' of the oil spill, have ya'll watched this yet? Not just part of it ... but the WHOLE video?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kea5BYorMuA&feature=player_embedded#

[Charles]

Speakin' of the oil spill, have ya'll watched this yet? Not just part of it ... but the WHOLE video?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kea5BYorMuA&feature=player_embedded#

You can't fool all of the people all of the time?

On a more serious note, I'm not so sure that there is much Obama CAN do. Make a few phone calls, poke a few people in the ass...and sometimes that does more harm than good.

But he's sitting in the big chair, and he's gonna catch hell, whether he deserves it or not.

Chas

[diamondsoul]

So now with the mud and junk shot having failed they're saying it could be August before they get the relief well drilled and the flow slowed/stopped, even then there is no guarantee.

Seems they weren't prepared for anything like this at all. Using 30 year old tech to clean up isn't working either. Also BP isn't even supplying filter masks to the folks doing the clean up and they are already getting sick just like the Valdez clean crew got sick. BP is using the same old divide and conquer tactics that Exxon used after the Alaska spill to further their interests and limit their liability.

What a freekin mess. :(

Cheers

Lar

[hillbilly]

If it were on land, they'd be able to plug it. But no, folks throw a hissy fit over drilling on land .. but look what happens when it's deep under water and can't be easily reached in order to stop it. Rather than having a mess in one spot .. they have a wide spread mess in the water that follows the coastline. Smart, very smart to support offshore drilling and not on land where it CAN be stopped.

[diamondsoul]

If it were on land, they'd be able to plug it. But no, folks throw a hissy fit over drilling on land .. but look what happens when it's deep under water and can't be easily reached in order to stop it. Rather than having a mess in one spot .. they have a wide spread mess in the water that follows the coastline. Smart, very smart to support offshore drilling and not on land where it CAN be stopped.

I don't think it is a matter of people supporting one thing or another but of the way the situation has evolved with the demand for oil unabated and a general NIMBY attitude. Out of sight, out of mind.

Takes something like this occurring for people to realize that out of sight is not such a great thing.

Perhaps alternative energy will not seem to be such an expensive alternative after the hundreds of billions of dollars spent and lost because of this spill. :D

Cheers

Lar

[stereocuuple]

our population has outgrown the earths resources there is no source of energy alt. or otherwise that can sustain our species at its current of future levels.

nomatter what energy will become cost prohibitive sooner than later.

[merrylander]

If it were on land, they'd be able to plug it. But no, folks throw a hissy fit over drilling on land .. but look what happens when it's deep under water and can't be easily reached in order to stop it. Rather than having a mess in one spot .. they have a wide spread mess in the water that follows the coastline. Smart, very smart to support offshore drilling and not on land where it CAN be stopped.

Actually Dave, it is the oil companies who won't drill on land. They all want leases in the Gulf and the Atlantic but they won't touch the hundreds of lease they already have on the mainland - go figure.

[d-ray657]

our population has outgrown the earths resources there is no source of energy alt. or otherwise that can sustain our species at its current of future levels.

nomatter what energy will become cost prohibitive sooner than later.

Actually, you guys represent part of the solution, by living in the city and using mass transit.

The automobile contributed to the growth of suburbs, which contributed to road congestion, which created the demand for greater roads, which made the suburbs more attractive, which increased the demand for automobiles, which made mass transit and walking less viable alternatives. With more space, suburban housing was built larger, with greater demands for heating and cooling - and with larger garages. It takes time to drive to work from the suburbs, so people need more energy consuming conveniences. We develop a disposable economy in which it is easier to get rid of appliances than it is to get them repaired. The greater expenses associated with the more convenient lifestyle generates the need for two incomes, and two commuters in the suburbs, which leaves less time and increases the demand for time saving devices, and for eating out, which increases expenses and energy consumption, making the second income mandatory rather than optional.

In other words, the string of events that have occurred to make us energy hogs have a symbiotic relationship that had made energy dependence a difficult cycle to overcome. There are all sorts of baby steps that we can take to reduce consumption, but real energy savings require a drastic change in lifestyle.

Hey Cupple, how are you enjoying the mass transit. Has it tempted you to engage in the blasphemy of a .mp3 player? What effect doe the city living have on your entertainment/social opportunities? Are you able to walk to take care of a lot of your needs? Do you feel healthier with the additional walking? I have enjoyed Chi-town when I have visited. Hope you guys are enjoying it up there.

Regards,

D-Ray

[noonereal]

all you nuclear power plant fans should pay close attention

accidents ALWAYS happen

if this oil mishap is a disaster what will you say when Indian Point power plant blows (or any other) and over 10 million are affected?

[noonereal]

our population has outgrown the earths resources there is no source of energy alt. or otherwise that can sustain our species at its current of future levels.

nomatter what energy will become cost prohibitive sooner than later.

don't agree at all

there is so much energy available from the sun and wind that such an insignificant species cannot hope to consumer even a tiny amount of it

[westgate]

all you nuclear power plant fans should pay close attention; accidents ALWAYS happen.

yup. sort of like murphys law in action...

[Sandy G]

About 30 years ago, TVA got in a Big Way to build a Nookie Plant literally across the river from our farm. They cancelled it in '81-82 & we hired a few of the guys who worked there. Just listening to them, I got the feeling that the 3 Stooges, Abbott & Costello, or the Marx Bros. coulda done a better job managing it. It was to be a $3 BILLION project, they were a little over a third of the way done & had spent almost 2/3 of the money when wiser heads stuck a fork in it. There were also rumors of it sitting adjacent to a huge natural gas dome, & there were supposedly 3 reactors of the same design that ALL got cancelled about the same time. The electricity it would have produced wasn't going to be used here, it was gonna be used in the northeast, so it was said. So if the sumbich blew up, it woulda killed a few thousand pinhead hillbillies-Republicans at that-instead of a few million Democrats up in the Northeast...Can't have THAT happening, you know ? (grin)

[westgate]

supposedly the camera is on a remote vehicle in vicinity of the well head.
don't know what this can tell us at this point (or how 'real' this is...)-

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html

also, don't really know if it's live or if it's memorex...

[merrylander]

all you nuclear power plant fans should pay close attention

accidents ALWAYS happen

if this oil mishap is a disaster what will you say when Indian Point power plant blows (or any other) and over 10 million are affected?

Really? Must have missed the news then since Canada has been running heavy water nukes for years now.:rolleyes:

[Sandy G]

Still don't think ANYBODY really has a clue on how to stop this...Gummint, BP, academia, any of 'em. And while I generally snort at Obama, I think in this instance he is actually doing the right thing, by-&-large trying to stay the hell outta the way & letting the people who at least marginally know what they're doing run things.

[stereocuuple]

don't agree at all

there is so much energy available from the sun and wind that such an insignificant species cannot hope to consumer even a tiny amount of it

significant enough to destroy the gulf of mexico as far as nuke power plants go in the long run this mess in the gulf has the potential to be far worse than chernobel this fucking thing could bottom out the entire global economy. if we end up evacuating large areas of the gulf coast after the comming hurricanes there isint enough $$$to rebiuld our destroyed industries

[BlueStreak]

Still don't think ANYBODY really has a clue on how to stop this...Gummint, BP, academia, any of 'em. And while I generally snort at Obama, I think in this instance he is actually doing the right thing, by-&-large trying to stay the hell outta the way & letting the people who at least marginally know what they're doing run things.

Couldn't agree more, Sandy. Funny how some folks who think the Gummint should butt out of everything suddenly want to hold Obama responsible for this leak and blame him for not fixing it fast enough.

But...That's politics.

Dave

[BlueStreak]

significant enough to destroy the gulf of mexico as far as nuke power plants go in the long run this mess in the gulf has the potential to be far worse than chernobel this fucking thing could bottom out the entire global economy. if we end up evacuating large areas of the gulf coast after the comming hurricanes there isint enough $$$to rebiuld our destroyed industries

:confused:

Care to clarify?

Dave

[stereocuuple]

ask the sealife and birds what i mean

[finnbow]

this mess in the gulf has the potential to be far worse than chernobel this fucking thing could bottom out the entire global economy.

While I don't think I agree that this thing could bottom out the global economy, it is likely to have greater economic impact than Chernobyl. The size of the seafood and tourist industries on the Gulf Coast (not to mention the curtailed oil industry) likely dwarfs the erstwhile industrial output of the impacted areas around Chernobyl.

[BlueStreak]

While I don't think I agree that this thing could bottom out the global economy, it is likely to have greater economic impact than Chernobyl. The size of the seafood and tourist industries on the Gulf Coast (not to mention the curtailed oil industry) likely dwarfs the erstwhile industrial output of the impacted areas around Chernobyl.

Thanks.

Dave

[BlueStreak]

ask the sealife and birds what i mean

A Democrat in the Whitehouse during a tragic oil spill turns wingnuts into concerned environmentalists.:rolleyes:

Dave

[Boreas]

Do any of you remember this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ixtoc_I_oil_spill

John

[BlueStreak]

John, John, John.....don't you know this is just more fake history generated by the left-wing controlled Wikipedia propaganda machine. This has NEVER happened before. That is why the industry is at a loss for solutions.....come on, now.

Dave

[Charles]

Do any of you remember this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ixtoc_I_oil_spill

John

I'm familiar with it.

I was looking at a list of the top ten spills, #1 was when Saddam destroyed everything in Kuwait.

The current spill hasn't made the top ten...yet.

Chas

[Boreas]

I'm familiar with it.

I was looking at a list of the top ten spills, #1 was when Saddam destroyed everything in Kuwait.

Yes, Ixtoc 1 is currently #3 (#2 "accidental")

The current spill hasn't made the top ten...yet.

Maybe, maybe not. All we know is that the information we're being given about the magnitude of the spill is a pack of lies.

John

[Charles]

Yes, Ixtoc 1 is currently #3 (#2 "accidental")



Maybe, maybe not. All we know is that the information we're being given about the magnitude of the spill is a pack of lies.

John

10-4

Once it became a political football I've pretty much tuned it out. Can't believe anything that anyone is saying.

Other than it's one hell of a mess.

Chas

[piece-itpete]

all you nuclear power plant fans should pay close attention

accidents ALWAYS happen

if this oil mishap is a disaster what will you say when Indian Point power plant blows (or any other) and over 10 million are affected?

Really? Must have missed the news then since Canada has been running heavy water nukes for years now.:rolleyes:

And we've been running nuke subs and ships in the navy for some time. Scary fact - the military also has generators on land - with no shielding as of the mid 80s.


Couldn't agree more, Sandy. Funny how some folks who think the Gummint should butt out of everything suddenly want to hold Obama responsible for this leak and blame him for not fixing it fast enough.

But...That's politics.

Dave

This is CLEARLY in the federal arena.

This scope of this disaster may well be one of the worst ever. Perhaps he should've been changing the way things were running in a federal agency, one that a good enviromentalist would be very interested in, and a lobbiest wouldn't.

Pete

[merrylander]

The point of my note was that the Canadian heavy water nuclear plants are pretty near fail safe, unlike the high pressure reactors seemingly preferred here.

[diamondsoul]

Just heard some pretty starling facts.

Apparently they figure there are some 9 billion barrels of oil reserves in the Gulf of Mexico. In Alberta's tar sands there are over 100 billion barrels of oil reserves. Even though it is messy and there are issues such as tailing ponds, water use, natural gas use, downstream pollution, large areas were millions of tons of the surface have been excavated, perhaps it would be a good idea to stop drilling for oil at extreme depths.

Northern Saskatchewan adjacent to Alberta's tar sands has it's own tar sands as well.

We have some large wind farms around here. Not sure how much power they generate in comparison with the coal fired plants here in Saskbush.

Cheers

Lar

[BlueStreak]

This scope of this disaster may well be one of the worst ever. Perhaps he should've been changing the way things were running in a federal agency, one that a good enviromentalist would be very interested in, and a lobbiest wouldn't.

Pete

Perhaps.

If he were aware of the malfeasances taking place, that have apparently been going on for quite some time. Which would suggest it's not just this administration. True, industry lobbiests woud not be interested in establishing tighter, or less corrupt, oversight. Probably why most businessmen vote Republican? So they don't have to deal with pesky "regulation" at all, saves them all of that bribe money....... Well, in theory, at least.:p

Regards,
Dave

[piece-itpete]

Except they got business as usual with Obama too. Change?

Pete

[BlueStreak]

Really?

Is the lack of "change" the reason why wingnuts hate his guts, Pete?

Dave

[piece-itpete]

Nah, it's 'cause he lied through his teeth - as we knew he was doing.

Pete

[merrylander]

Pete, do you seriously believe he has nowt better to do than snoop around all the Federal agencies? I will say that he was naive to not realize that the last administration would have f**ked up enegy policy beyond belief. Remember all the bruhaha when the Duke of Haliburton called in Enron, Exxon, et. al. to the White House to draft the new energy policy in secret.

[piece-itpete]

Yes, as I recall it was very similar to what Obama did with the pharmecuticals.

It's his JOB to run those federal agencies! The buck stops, well, now, with someone else?

Pete

[Boreas]

Yes, as I recall it was very similar to what Obama did with the pharmecuticals.

It's his JOB to run those federal agencies! The buck stops, well, now, with someone else?

Pete

And, of course, he's had virtually nothing else on his plate since he took office.

On the other hand, by the time Bush had been in office for a similar length of time he's succeeded in starting two wars! Now, there's a record to be proud of!

John

[merrylander]

Could this be why nowt is getting done?:rolleyes:

[JJIII]

"It's his fault!"

"No, it's his fault!"

This gets everyone no where.

What the hell are we to do about it now?

[BlueStreak]

"It's his fault!"

"No, it's his fault!"

This gets everyone no where.

What the hell are we to do about it now?

I dunno, you did it, you straighten it out!

[Charles]

"It's his fault!"

"No, it's his fault!"

This gets everyone no where.

What the hell are we to do about it now?

Is make political hay the correct answer?

Chas

[JJIII]

Is make political hay the correct answer?

Chas

Seems to be for a lot of people. :mad:

[Sandy G]

Aww, chit, boys, we know this is The American Way- Make a bigazz mess of something, & blame the other side...Its enshrined in our system...Witnesseth almost all our industry-Labor & management BOTH sanctimoniously point fingers at each other, while Rome burns furiously, & finally, there's nothing left...This is just an extension of that basic philosophy...But SOMEBODY needs to get their thumb outta their arse & figure out how to fix it...And quit playing "Who Shot John"...

[finnbow]

Relax, everybody. It's just an Act of God (http://thinkprogress.org/2010/06/02/cole-oil-god/).:eek:

[Boreas]

Relax, everybody. It's just an Act of God.:eek:

Guess that makes God a greedy incompetent lying asshole.

John

[merrylander]

What a maroon.

[Boreas]

I just found this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE-1G_476nA&feature=player_embedded) on a web site for the IOOS (http://ioos.gov/). I linked to the YouTube version because it's bigger.

John

[finnbow]

I just found this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE-1G_476nA&feature=player_embedded) on a web site for the IOOS (http://ioos.gov/). I linked to the YouTube version because it's bigger.

John

Just BP sharing the love. Remember all they're doing to help on the Gulf Coast.

[Boreas]

It seems there could be another rig (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWHLrcxLVkg) spewing oil into the Gulf as we speak.

John

[Sandy G]

This is fast becoming a "Zombie picture"- Try to kill him by cutting off his head, then you've got BOTH the head & the body to worry about...

[Boreas]

NPR is running a real time video (http://www.ustream.tv/pbsnewshour) of the leak here. You can see just how effective the "cut and cap" is so far.

John

[Boreas]

Rachel Maddow interviewed a professor from the University of Georgia about the Gulf spill. What she had to say (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#37563749) is very disturbing.

You might also be interested in the next video (which will begin automatically). Taken together they're a pretty convincing argument in favor of a concerted Manhattan Project type approach to ending our addiction to fossil fuels.

John

[westgate]

NPR is running a real time video (http://www.ustream.tv/pbsnewshour) of the leak here. You can see just how effective the "cut and cap" is so far.

John

is that actually live or 'taped', or delayed, or ?

i ask cuz it's 12:24 pm here, the time on the 'video image' is just a little after 10am.
allowing for time zone changes; the well is central time zone, i'm eastern-there's only a one hour difference but the camera image/time display vs EDT shows a two hour+ difference.

hence, my question.

[BlueStreak]

NPR is running a real time video (http://www.ustream.tv/pbsnewshour) of the leak here. You can see just how effective the "cut and cap" is so far.

John


It appears to be working beautifully. Every bit as well as deregulation would.:rolleyes:

Dave

[Boreas]

is that actually live or 'taped', or delayed, or ?

i ask cuz it's 12:24 pm here, the time on the 'video image' is just a little after 10am.
allowing for time zone changes; the well is central time zone, i'm eastern-there's only a one hour difference but the camera image/time display vs EDT shows a two hour+ difference.

hence, my question.

It's supposed to be live. At other times I've noted a delay of several minutes but right now it's frozen at 10:24:25. It may be down.

John

[Boreas]

The camera's up and running again. Current time display as I type this is 12:00:45.

[EDIT] That means it's about 1.5 minutes behind real time.

John

[Boreas]

Looking at the live feed I noticed that it's described as "Dispersant Ops". There's a blue hose at the lower left of the screen that appears to be injecting a dark fluid into the leak. Hard to tell. It may be that we;re seeing dispersant injected directly into the leak as it leaves the pipe (which I think they're doing) or it may be crude being allowed to leak so as to prevent the cap from icing up with frozen methane again.

John

[piece-itpete]

.. Taken together they're a pretty convincing argument in favor of a concerted Manhattan Project type approach to ending our addiction to fossil fuels.

John

Can't get youtube here, but I'm 100% on board with an energy project.

Pete

[westgate]

It's supposed to be live. At other times I've noted a delay of several minutes but right now it's frozen at 10:24:25. It may be down.

John

The camera's up and running again. Current time display as I type this is 12:00:45.

[EDIT] That means it's about 1.5 minutes behind real time.

John

Ah, much better.

stuck link in my signature area.

edit-not much is coming from bp feed...
http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html

[j_b_rainey]

$20B is a joke. $50B would be closer to a STARTING point !

[merrylander]

$20B is a joke. $50B would be closer to a STARTING point !

It IS the starting point, the whole idea was to get a reasonable and impartial negotiator at the helm, and that they have done. The way it was working (or rather not working) was displayed by the case of one applicant who proved his business brought in $27,000 a month - BP offered him $5,000.:rolleyes:

The problem is with the slowness of the existing process, if you have a $20,000 loand on your fishing boat the bank wnats the monthly payment now, if they don't get you lose your boat. So if and when they clean up the area you have no way to earn a living.

It is sad watching the mental midgets yaelling "Why does Obama not stop the leak" - with what? Should he put on a deep sea diving suit and go down there with a big cork and a hammer. So when he does do what he can in trying to see that people affected by the spill get more immediate relief it's called a shakedown by some a**hole from TX.

[westgate]

multiple cameras now, so we can see them testing the new cap.

http://www.ustream.tv/pbsnewshour

'cept the screens are kind of small.

[Boreas]

multiple cameras now, so we can see them testing the new cap.

http://www.ustream.tv/pbsnewshour

'cept the screens are kind of small.

Apparently they're being VERY careful with this and easing the flow rate down really gradually. There's a fear that shutting it down quickly will cause the oil to just find another way out through the rock strata. Of course, this may happen anyway. The well casing has basically disintegrated.

John

[BlueStreak]

Apparently they're being VERY careful with this and easing the flow rate down really gradually. There's a fear that shutting it down quickly will cause the oil to just find another way out through the rock strata. Of course, this may happen anyway. The well casing has basically disintegrated.

John

That would suck.

[noonereal]

That would suck.

I am confident that controlling the flow is more important than shutting it down for BP and that this has been the cause of so many delays.

[Boreas]

I am confident that controlling the flow is more important than shutting it down for BP and that this has been the cause of so many delays.

Your suspicion is understandable and, generally, I share it but in this instance I think the concerns of control and cessation are one and the same. A fuck-up now could mean that the blowout becomes unstoppable.

John

[noonereal]

Your suspicion is understandable and, generally, I share it but in this instance I think the concerns of control and cessation are one and the same. A fuck-up now could mean that the blowout becomes unstoppable.

John

You know how much i respect you John but I just don't buy it.
They could have blown it closed long ago, IMHO.

[Boreas]

You know how much i respect you John but I just don't buy it.
They could have blown it closed long ago, IMHO.

Blowing it ran the substantial risk of opening up cracks in the strata which would have let the oil escape unchecked from numerous places on the sea floor. I suspect that it would have also run the risk of doing seismic damage to other rigs in the neighborhood.

John

[noonereal]

Blowing it ran the substantial risk of opening up cracks in the strata which would have let the oil escape unchecked from numerous places on the sea floor. I suspect that it would have also run the risk of doing seismic damage to other rigs in the neighborhood.

John

yes, i heard this STORY

do I seem cynical? ;)

[Charles]

yes, i heard this STORY

do I seem cynical? ;)

Perhaps.

I, for one, will defer to the people who do this for a living. I think that nothing would please BP more that to finally put this one to bed. I also wish them the best of luck.

Chas

[merrylander]

yes, i heard this STORY

do I seem cynical? ;)

Yes, I for one have seen first hand what sufficient explosive power can do and I will defer to the experts on this one. BP just received another large bill from the government for cleanup, I would imagine that they do not welcome them.

[piece-itpete]

Ah, the methane planetkilling scenario.

I thought we already all died when they started up the supercollider.

Pete

[Boreas]

I STILL don't think they (BP, the Goobermint, et al) REALLY know what they're doing. But at least they're TRYING stuff now...Why do I think they've got a VERY large & angry Tiger by a very short tail ?

+1

John

[BlueStreak]

Your suspicion is understandable and, generally, I share it but in this instance I think the concerns of control and cessation are one and the same. A fuck-up now could mean that the blowout becomes unstoppable.

John

Right. At well over 9,000 p.s.i. on a 22" pipe (>380 sq.in. opening.) you would have 3,420,000 pounds or approximately 1710 tons of pressure pressing against a the cap. Simply attempting to stop that kind of pressure instantly could be a big mistake. As I understand it, they are using two valves, a "kill valve" and another valve. The idea being to slowly reduce the flow. As the volume slows, the pressure will rise as they are inversely proportional. This allows them them to raise the pressure slowly while inspecting the pipe and sea bed for other potential leaks.

In short form; If you just simply slap the thing shut, you run the risk of blowing larger holes God only knows where else, ending up with a totally hopeless situation.:eek:

Dave

[Charles]

Right. At well over 9,000 p.s.i. on a 22" pipe (>380 sq.in. opening.) you would have 3,420,000 pounds or approximately 1710 tons of pressure pressing against a the cap. Simply attempting to stop that kind of pressure instantly could be a big mistake. As I understand it, they are using two valves, a "kill valve" and another valve. The idea being to slowly reduce the flow. As the volume slows, the pressure will rise as they are inversely proportional. This allows them them to raise the pressure slowly while inspecting the pipe and sea bed for other potential leaks.

In short form; If you just simply slap the thing shut, you run the risk of blowing larger holes God only knows where else, ending up with a totally hopeless situation.:eek:

Dave

Yew can kount???

For what it's worth, air chambers on plumbing fixtures are code. And we're only dealing with basically 40 PSI.

Chas

[BlueStreak]

Yeah, I kin cypher too. All part o' the book lernins I got frum tha Ohiya publik skewl sistum.:p

Dave

[merrylander]

Stopped, so far so good.

[piece-itpete]

Interesting tidbit, I saw on the news last light, they said Valdez, it came to $8000 per animal cleaned/serviced, and that 2/3s of them died within 90 days.

Pete

[Boreas]

Interesting tidbit, I saw on the news last light, they said Valdez, it came to $8000 per animal cleaned/serviced, and that 2/3s of them died within 90 days.

Pete

1. Where did you see this?

2. How did they determine that the animals they assisted died later?

3. How much per animal of Exxon's money is too much?

4. What conclusions do you draw from this?

5. It's Friday, Pete. Where are they? :)

John

[finnbow]

Interesting tidbit, I saw on the news last light, they said Valdez, it came to $8000 per animal cleaned/serviced, and that 2/3s of them died within 90 days.

Pete

As uncool as it may be to say, I think the scrubbing of birds with Dawn is mostly a "feel good" exercise to keep the treehuggers happy on the beach thinking that they're actually contributing in some fashion.

I think it's way more important to focus quickly and effectively on restoring the habitat itself. The critters will ultimately fill the vacuum left by their (unfortunately) deceased brethren.

PS - Pete, TGIF. Entertain us.

[piece-itpete]

Dance, monkey, dance!

:D

I'm really to busy to be doing this! It was either CBS or ABC, I saw it in passing. Right now, they are rescuing turtles, clean, 1st aid, then storing them in containers until the oil passes.

They also mentioned that there are hundreds of scientists in the gulf right now regarding impact on wildlife. We really don't play.

Pete

[merrylander]

I thought that they said the cleaned animals died in two years. If so that woulld at least give them time to breed.

[piece-itpete]

Ah, that could be.

Pete

[Charles]

Interesting tidbit, I saw on the news last light, they said Valdez, it came to $8000 per animal cleaned/serviced, and that 2/3s of them died within 90 days.

Pete

I think I saw basically the same thing. A waste of resources if true.

But I guess that pictures of someone like me walking the beach and putting them out of their misery with a 10-22 wouldn't go over too well on the 6:00 PM news.

Which, as bad as it would be, would be less traumatic for the poor birds.

Chas

[piece-itpete]

I think I saw basically the same thing. A waste of resources if true.

But I guess that pictures of someone like me walking the beach and putting them out of their misery with a 10-22 wouldn't go over too well on the 6:00 PM news.

Which, as bad as it would be, would be less traumatic for the poor birds.

Chas

Lmao! But yes I agree.

I think Rob was correct about the 2 years though. My take, would it be better overall if the 8 large was spent on faster cleanup?

Pete

[Charles]

Lmao! But yes I agree.

I think Rob was correct about the 2 years though. My take, would it be better overall if the 8 large was spent on faster cleanup?

Pete

But I've never clubbed a baby seal!!!

Chas

[Charles]

Dance, monkey, dance!

:D

I'm really to busy to be doing this! It was either CBS or ABC, I saw it in passing. Right now, they are rescuing turtles, clean, 1st aid, then storing them in containers until the oil passes.

They also mentioned that there are hundreds of scientists in the gulf right now regarding impact on wildlife. We really don't play.

Pete

I take it they're not shining up snapping turds.

Chas

[piece-itpete]

But I've never clubbed a baby seal!!!

Chas

Must... not... say... keep... mouth... shut....

WITH A LEAD FILLED SNOWSHOE??

:D

I take it they're not shining up snapping turds.

Chas

Lmao!!

Pete