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Grumpy
09-23-2010, 07:14 PM
I know some of you will dismiss this due to being a Fox story but its still sickening. And yes I know its going on all over, but being so blatant about it the Detroit way.


myFOXDetroit.com Staff - We're all rooting for the auto industry to come back stronger than ever. It affects every one of us here in metro Detroit and across the country because it's so important to our economy.

Fox 2's Rob Wolchek got a tip about what some guys are doing at Chrysler's Jefferson North Assembly Plant in Detroit. This is the same plant that President Barack Obama visited back in July and talked about the significance of manufacturing in America.


http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/chrysler-auto-workers-busted_20100923_dk

finnbow
09-23-2010, 07:29 PM
It's certainly bad that they're smoking and drinking on the job and that Chrysler didn't have an effective substance abuse program in place. However, the sensationalist manner in which this report ties these problems to Obama is another example of Fox yellow journalism.

There's plenty to be disgusted by in this report without the smarmy manner of coverage. I wonder what the workers comp carrier for Chrysler thinks about this.

whell
09-23-2010, 08:09 PM
Here Grumpy, this'll help. The story is sourced from somewhere other than Fox:

http://www.detnews.com/article/20100923/AUTO01/9230449/1148/Chrysler-investigating-footage-of-workers-using-drugs--alcohol-at-lunch

Unfortunately, nothing really new here, except that these characters got caught on tape.

d-ray657
09-23-2010, 08:48 PM
Here Grumpy, this'll help. The story is sourced from somewhere other than Fox:

http://www.detnews.com/article/20100923/AUTO01/9230449/1148/Chrysler-investigating-footage-of-workers-using-drugs--alcohol-at-lunch

Unfortunately, nothing really new here, except that these characters got caught on tape.

Yes and it is a much more professionally done report. It omits the sensationalism. It doesn't use charged political terms like the TV reporter's contemptuous pronunciation of the word "bailout" The workers, who the Detroit news characterized as a small group of workers, were the entire focus of the story. I would submit that out of any group of over 2500 people, whether they are office people, salespersons, plant workers, lawyers, accountants, engineers, or lobbyists, there are going to be at least fifteen who are substance abusers or alcoholics. For such people, the bottle or the hit becomes the most important thing in their lives, and they are willing to take unreasonable risks to feed their addiction. It is a sad, but selfish behavior.

Regards,

D-Ray

Grumpy
09-23-2010, 08:53 PM
Your seriously downplaying this ?

Zeke
09-23-2010, 09:14 PM
Your seriously downplaying this ?

I don't see why you wouldn't.

This sort of thing is more rampant than you could possibly believe... :(

whell
09-23-2010, 10:02 PM
It's certainly bad that they're smoking and drinking on the job and that Chrysler didn't have an effective substance abuse program in place. However, the sensationalist manner in which this report ties these problems to Obama is another example of Fox yellow journalism.

There's plenty to be disgusted by in this report without the smarmy manner of coverage. I wonder what the workers comp carrier for Chrysler thinks about this.

I would challenge you just a bit in your suggestion that this is "Fox" yellow journalism. Rob Wolchek is not uncommon in his reporting style in Detroit. Steve Wilson who used to be on the local ABC affiliate comes to mind. The "Problem Solvers" is the local affiliate's "news-making", as opposed to news reporting, function. I'd also suggest, in my travels when watching some local news outlets in other cities, there are other "news-maker" segments on other news casts as well.

finnbow
09-23-2010, 10:12 PM
I would challenge you just a bit in your suggestion that this is "Fox" yellow journalism. There is at least one Rob Wolchek on each of the local newscasts in Detroit. The "Problem Solvers" is the local affiliate's "news-making", as opposed to news reporting, function. I'd also suggest, in my travels when watching some local news outlets in other cities, there are other "news-maker" segments on other news casts as well.

Perhaps so. I suppose that most local news stations have their "designated ghouls," as my wife calls them. This sort of sensationalism on the local news is definitely not exclusively Fox's terrain. The story itself is fine and newsworthy (at least to some degree). It was the tone and presentation that left me cold. Just give me the friggin' facts in a dispassionate manner without all the silly drama and innuendo.

I'm amazed in this day and age that such a company as Chrysler doesn't have a stronger substance abuse program, particularly for industrial workers. I'd hate to see what the accident rate in that plant is, not to mention the quality of the product coming off the line.

BlueStreak
09-24-2010, 02:19 AM
This is indeed disgusting behaviour, and shouldn't be tolerated. Factories are dangerous places as it is, throw alcohol and/or drugs into the mix and you are putting your life and the lives of others on the line.

We recently sent four guys from our maintenance department out for drug/alcohol testing over an incident involving improper rebuilding of a large centrifugal impeller type fan. The fan is similar in design to the fan in your vacuum cleaner only it is cast steel, four feet in diameter, driven by a 100hp motor and weighs several hundred pounds. Because they failed to properly pack the bearings in grease, the bearings became extremely hot, the pillow blocks (bearing housings) exploded sending chucks of cast iron flying over fifty feet. The impeller itself slammed into the side of it's housing, destroying it, but miraculously did not break through and leave the housing. The drive shaft, 5 inches in diameter and 4.5 feet long was bent like a noodle and you could see where the impeller twisted off of it. In short, someone could very easily have been killed, or grievously injured.

So far no positive test results have come back. But, all four men have been written up and warned. If anyone comes up positive, he's gone.

I can tell you guys, the type of behavior seen in that video is not limited to auto industry or union shops. I've worked in non-union plants and seen people snorting coke in the bathrooms, coming back from lunch stinking of beer, even finding places to sneak off to and get high-------inside the plant. I will say that it seems to be less commonplace now than it did say, twenty years ago, but it still happens.

The company I work for now is pretty good at prevention with simple rules against loitering in the parking lot, drug testing policies such as the one mentioned above, etc.
I only know of one incident of a man gettting caught with beer in his locker.

Personally, I don't see how anyone can do it. I have never gone to work drunk or high. I just can't function that way.

Not trying to downplay the behaviour, but to an extent I can see Dons point. Fox does politicize everything, and I mean everything. If a pidgeon shits on a clean statue it is somehow Obamas fault. If an alien spaceship should show up and start shooting death rays about, it'll be because the Democrats failed to secure the stratosphere. And don't give me that, "That's the Detroit style" horsehockey either. They do the same thing everywhere. I will uabashedly tell you I despise FoxNews and every single smug faced, self-righteous conspiracy theorist dickhead that works for them. (And most of their viewers as well.)


Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite,
Dave

noonereal
09-24-2010, 05:39 AM
I don't see why you wouldn't.

This sort of thing is more rampant than you could possibly believe... :(

I know I worked in lot's of factories as a high school and college kid during the summer and this sort of thing was a way of life in all factories, especially on Fridays.

JJIII
09-24-2010, 05:45 AM
I will uabashedly tell you I despise FoxNews and every single smug faced, self-righteous conspiracy theorist dickhead that works for them. (And most of their viewers as well.)


Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite,
Dave

I feel the love!!;)

merrylander
09-24-2010, 07:57 AM
I have little patience with the MSM these days, look at all the coverage they gave to that nut case pastor in Florida. The Chattering Class blow everything far out of proportion. I recall when I used to watch CNN, Wolf Blitzer would decry the attention being paid to some whack job, then turn about and spend 20 minutes going over the same whack job.

Grumpy
09-24-2010, 08:12 AM
Like or love that reporter, he does a lot of good here in Detroit. He does his "problem solvers" bit and is regularly chasing down contractors who screwed customers.

piece-itpete
09-24-2010, 09:00 AM
.. If a pidgeon shits on a clean statue it is somehow Obamas fault. If an alien spaceship should show up and start shooting death rays about, it'll be because the Democrats failed to secure the stratosphere. ...

Are you trying to say it wouldn't be their fault?

:)

The low paying jobs I had as a young man were filled with beer and drugs. The better, higher paying places - weren't.

Brock Yates mentions in one of his books that workers in a Chrysler plant in Youngstown liked to fool around, and were seen slapping trim on one handed, behind their backs, etc...

And my bud that worked in the Twinsburg stamping plant has some great stories about the drugs drinking drawing straws to see who was staying till closing time to clock out etc...

My dad worked a job in NYC. The HVAC guys on the roof had written right into their contract that they could have one beer with lunch. An enterprising local started selling these giant cans of beer to them.

By the end of the job the roof was littered with them :)

All that said piss tests are unfair to working men and I'll tell you why - an office guy and a warehouse guy hits a j at a weekend party.

Two weeks later, who's at risk of getting fired? The piss test is mandatory for a workplace accident. What's the chances of the office guy having a reportable accident vs the warehouse guy?

There is no way that it's a factor two weeks later. But the warehouse guy gets fired because he smushed a finger. And no workers comp!

A swab test reads back 2-4 days and is much more fair to the warehouse worker.

[/soapbox] ;)

Pete

noonereal
09-24-2010, 09:30 AM
If an alien spaceship should show up and start shooting death rays

wrong thread and the aliens are shooting disable rays not death rays ;)

noonereal
09-24-2010, 09:34 AM
The low paying jobs I had as a young man were filled with beer and drugs. The better, higher paying places - weren't.


Excellent point.

Not only that but when I took a minimum wage guy and moved him to a $25 an hour guy he inevitably became a more responsible dedicated worker.

piece-itpete
09-24-2010, 09:44 AM
You simply have more to lose.

That doesn't matter to everyone though.

Pete

Boreas
09-24-2010, 09:59 AM
I know I worked in lot's of factories as a high school and college kid during the summer and this sort of thing was a way of life in all factories, especially on Fridays.

And then those damned Liberals came along with their socialist OSHA and their nanny state workplace safety rules and their fascist drug testing.

Damn Liberals to Hell!!!

John

Boreas
09-24-2010, 10:03 AM
All that said piss tests are unfair to working men and I'll tell you why - an office guy and a warehouse guy hits a j at a weekend party.

Two weeks later, who's at risk of getting fired? The piss test is mandatory for a workplace accident.

Check your facts.

John

Boreas
09-24-2010, 10:04 AM
The low paying jobs I had as a young man were filled with beer and drugs. The better, higher paying places - weren't.

So, maybe...... a raise?

John

piece-itpete
09-24-2010, 10:10 AM
Check your facts.

John

???????

BlueStreak
09-24-2010, 10:26 AM
Are you trying to say it wouldn't be their fault?
Yes, this is what I'm saying. Evryone knows it Republicans that like to play with death rays and what-not.
:)

The low paying jobs I had as a young man were filled with beer and drugs. The better, higher paying places - weren't.

Kinda true.

Brock Yates mentions in one of his books that workers in a Chrysler plant in Youngstown liked to fool around, and were seen slapping trim on one handed, behind their backs, etc...

I don't recall there ever being a Chrysler plant in Y'town. Some small company bought the license to build Avantis there after AMC went claws up back in the '70s, or maybe you're thinking of the GM plant in Lordstown?

And my bud that worked in the Twinsburg stamping plant has some great stories about the drugs drinking drawing straws to see who was staying till closing time to clock out etc...

This is where my Dad retired from. And he had similar stories. Amazing that place lasted as long as it did, from the stories he told.

My dad worked a job in NYC. The HVAC guys on the roof had written right into their contract that they could have one beer with lunch. An enterprising local started selling these giant cans of beer to them.

My brother used to work for a German company. The Plant Manager would buy the maintenance crew a couple cases of beer on friday at the end of the day, then sit in the shop and drink with them.

By the end of the job the roof was littered with them :)

All that said piss tests are unfair to working men and I'll tell you why - an office guy and a warehouse guy hits a j at a weekend party.

Two weeks later, who's at risk of getting fired? The piss test is mandatory for a workplace accident. What's the chances of the office guy having a reportable accident vs the warehouse guy?

There is no way that it's a factor two weeks later. But the warehouse guy gets fired because he smushed a finger. And no workers comp!

I would agree, Pete. Except; What are the chances of the office guy screwing up so bad he gets people killed? I know, it seems unfair, but I think there is a difference in the risks.

A swab test reads back 2-4 days and is much more fair to the warehouse worker.

True.

[/soapbox] ;)

Pete

Have a swell weekend!
Dave

Boreas
09-24-2010, 10:29 AM
???????

Check your facts.

John

piece-itpete
09-24-2010, 10:35 AM
Clarification please John?

Blue, I agree about the danger, but I'm talking 2 weeks after the fact.

Pete

Boreas
09-24-2010, 10:48 AM
Clarification please John?

THC rarely persists in the urine for more than a few days. The exception being chronic users who occasionally show traces for several weeks. The clear implication here is that positive THC results several weeks after consumption is an indication of an habitual chronic user of the chronic.

John

BlueStreak
09-24-2010, 10:50 AM
Clarification please John?

Blue, I agree about the danger, but I'm talking 2 weeks after the fact.

Pete

True.

Dave

piece-itpete
09-24-2010, 10:55 AM
I see John, but it was also my understanding that it varies greatly depneding on percentage of body fat.

Why not the swab test? Because the evil employers don't want workers comp claims?

Pet

Grumpy
09-24-2010, 10:58 AM
Arguing weather drug tests are fair is well and ok, but how the hell did these 15 not get tested at all ?

Yes I am assuming they were not, after all they would have been caught by their employer, long ago.

d-ray657
09-24-2010, 11:00 AM
I can't help but enjoy sitting back here and seeing some of our usual lefties taking on the authoritarian position and one of our dependable righties standing up for the working stiffs.:D

It seems like on thing we can agree on is that some guys partying at lunchtime doesn't have anything to do with the financial support to the automakers during the economic crisis. The only causal link would be that without the federal intervention, there might not have been a job there that some people could chose to abuse.

Regards,

D-Ray

d-ray657
09-24-2010, 11:06 AM
Arguing weather drug tests are fair is well and ok, but how the hell did these 15 not get tested at all ?

Yes I am assuming they were not, after all they would have been caught by their employer, long ago.

There are several types of drug testing plans. Some are for cause only, but in all cases of accident or injury. Such plans can also include random drug testing, in which someone's number comes up for testing at random intervals. Many test people as part of pre-employment screening. Having a regular policy of blanket testing is very expensive - consider that there were 2800 people at the plant. A long-winded way of saying that it is quite possible that the number might not have come up for this party pack.

Regards,

D-Ray

piece-itpete
09-24-2010, 11:24 AM
I can't help but enjoy sitting back here and seeing some of our usual lefties taking on the authoritarian position and one of our dependable righties standing up for the working stiffs.:D

It seems like on thing we can agree on is that some guys partying at lunchtime doesn't have anything to do with the financial support to the automakers during the economic crisis. The only causal link would be that without the federal intervention, there might not have been a job there that some people could chose to abuse.

Regards,

D-Ray

Oh I disagree - it's CLEARLY Obamas' fault.

:D

And just call me bootstrap Pete - with hard work and Gods grace I've climbed slightly up the ladder, but my collar is still blue underneath the faintly genteel white varnish :)

Piece-It Pete - Defender of his Working Brothers! lol

Pete

BlueStreak
09-24-2010, 11:25 AM
Why not the swab test? Because the evil employers don't want workers comp claims?

Pet

You might be on to something here. Didn't somebody suggest testing that goes back a year, recently?

Dave

BlueStreak
09-24-2010, 11:26 AM
Arguing weather drug tests are fair is well and ok, but how the hell did these 15 not get tested at all ?

Yes I am assuming they were not, after all they would have been caught by their employer, long ago.

Right. This is the question.

Dave

Boreas
09-24-2010, 11:27 AM
Arguing weather drug tests are fair is well and ok, but how the hell did these 15 not get tested at all ?

Obama refused to allow it, of course.

John

BlueStreak
09-24-2010, 11:34 AM
I can't help but enjoy sitting back here and seeing some of our usual lefties taking on the authoritarian position and one of our dependable righties standing up for the working stiffs.:D

It seems like on thing we can agree on is that some guys partying at lunchtime doesn't have anything to do with the financial support to the automakers during the economic crisis. The only causal link would be that without the federal intervention, there might not have been a job there that some people could chose to abuse.

Regards,

D-Ray

Excellent point, counselor. But, this is how it will be spun---"You tax dollars are being given to a bunch of lazy, dope smoking, loungeabouts." I'm sure by the time I get to work, Hannity and Beck will have availed the entire world of how a handfull of idiots in a parking lot in Michigan are bringing down the entire of Western Civilization, crapping on the flag and destroying Christianity so the queers can pervert our children and bring an end to the American family as we know it.:rolleyes:

Oh, and of course...It's all Obamas fault.

Dave

Grumpy
09-24-2010, 05:02 PM
I don't blame obama one bit. Fact this pub voter may be going straight dem next time around if the only choice is dem or tea party. I will not play a part in the insanity that they are planning.

BlueStreak
09-24-2010, 09:16 PM
I don't blame obama one bit. Fact this pub voter may be going straight dem next time around if the only choice is dem or tea party. I will not play a part in the insanity that they are planning.

Me too. I'm looking for the GOP to become more moderate before they get my vote again. But they appear hell bent to go in the opposite direction. Randy Forbes was the last Republican I voted for. He's my Congressman and he's not a bad guy. I actually met George Allen, and he gave me the creeps. I mean it, he had a limp handshake, and look in his eyes that gave me that same feeling you get when you think you're about to lose control of your bowls. Weird.

I wonder if he's a member of "The Family"?

Dave

finnbow
09-24-2010, 10:01 PM
I wonder if he's a member of "The Family"?

He's a friggin' makaka.:D

Boreas
09-25-2010, 12:06 AM
And just call me bootstrap Pete - with hard work and Gods grace I've climbed slightly up the ladder, but my collar is still blue underneath the faintly genteel white varnish :)

That just means that you're a capitalist stooge and a traitor to the working class.

John

BlueStreak
09-25-2010, 10:13 AM
"Excellent point, counselor. But, this is how it will be spun---"You tax dollars are being given to a bunch of lazy, dope smoking, loungeabouts." I'm sure by the time I get to work, Hannity and Beck will have availed the entire world of how a handfull of idiots in a parking lot in Michigan are bringing down the entire of Western Civilization, crapping on the flag and destroying Christianity so the queers can pervert our children and bring an end to the American family as we know it.:rolleyes:

Oh, and of course...It's all Obamas fault.

Dave"

Anybody watch Fox last night?
Turns out I was right. Again.
Fifteen jackasses in Detroit are the bane of western civilization.

Everyone who works for a bailed out automaker is a lazy, dope smoking drunk.................
The entire industry, the UAW, the Jeep Cherokee and the Obama administration called into question because of a handful of idiots, by Stuart Varney. When Sean "Eddie Munster" Hannity came on afterwards it got even worse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujPLK-CkphM&feature=related

Dave

d-ray657
09-25-2010, 12:29 PM
Anybody watch Fox last night?
Turns out I was right. Again.
Fifteen jackasses in Detroit are the bane of western civilization.

Everyone who works for a bailed out automaker is a lazy, dope smoking drunk.................
The entire industry, the UAW, the Jeep Cherokee and the Obama administration called into question because of a handful of idiots, by Stuart Varney. When Sean "Eddie Munster" Hannity came on afterwards it got even worse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujPLK-CkphM&feature=related

Dave

Fifteen out of 2800 plant workers represent the entire unionized auto industry, just like two guys at a polling place represent a re-emergent Black Panther party. Who needs logic when you can sell snake oil.

Regards,

D-ray

BlueStreak
09-25-2010, 04:14 PM
Fifteen out of 2800 plant workers represent the entire unionized auto industry, just like two guys at a polling place represent a re-emergent Black Panther party. Who needs logic when you can sell snake oil.

Regards,

D-ray

You can sell a LOT of snake oil when millions are out there demanding it.

Dave

whell
09-25-2010, 05:09 PM
This sort of thing is more rampant than you could possibly believe... :(

Fifteen out of 2800 plant workers represent the entire unionized auto industry, just like two guys at a polling place represent a re-emergent Black Panther party.

I wonder which point of view is closer to the truth?

d-ray657
09-25-2010, 06:41 PM
I wonder which point of view is closer to the truth?

That is a quite ambiguous question. My post was pointing our the ridiculous bias and exaggeration of Fox. The viewpoint reflected in my post is the above, not the comparison of two equally illogical positions taken by Fox.

As I said previously, I don't doubt that there are drug abusers and alcohol abusers in most occupations.

Therefore, I see the viewpoint actually conveyed in each of the posts as accurate.

Regards,

D-Ray

BlueStreak
09-25-2010, 07:44 PM
That is a quite ambiguous question. My post was pointing our the ridiculous bias and exaggeration of Fox. The viewpoint reflected in my post is the above, not the comparison of two equally illogical positions taken by Fox.

As I said previously, I don't doubt that there are drug abusers and alcohol abusers in most occupations.

Therefore, I see the viewpoint actually conveyed in each of the posts as accurate.

Regards,

D-Ray

I can see that. More of a problem than you may realize, but a day in the factory isn't the taxpayer funded, free-for-all Woodstock style party atmosphere Fox tried to paint it as either. Seems like a reasonable view to me.

Dave

merrylander
09-26-2010, 07:02 AM
Snake Oil? It was not that long ago that drugstores sold dope across the counter, cheap too.

westgate
09-26-2010, 10:36 AM
Snake Oil? It was not that long ago that drugstores sold dope across the counter, cheap too.

and now-a-days, some of their successors won't sell condoms or birth control pills, etc because of their religious beliefs.
makes one wonder at a bit...

BlueStreak
09-26-2010, 12:46 PM
Snake Oil? It was not that long ago that drugstores sold dope across the counter, cheap too.

and now-a-days, some of their successors won't sell condoms or birth control pills, etc because of their religious beliefs.
makes one wonder at a bit...

Maybe we do need to get back to the mythical Good ol' Days when you could buy heroin over the counter, brothels were legal, and America truly was a Christian Nation?:rolleyes:

Dave

piece-itpete
09-27-2010, 10:07 AM
That just means that you're a capitalist stooge and a traitor to the working class.

John

Hah! Ever get mortar in your eye? A rash from machine oil?

How about threatened for working too hard in a union shop?

Just because the Dems mouth on about jobs and the working man while voting free trade and dealing with Big Pharma doesn't mean anything. Right?

I forgot - The Dems are proving their commitment to the working man by keeping the tax cut in place for them. So if you're scraping by at $235K a year Dems are on your side.

The only jobs left'll be in government. That worked out great for the working folks in Greece.

There's a reason the AFL kicked the commies out.

Pete

merrylander
09-27-2010, 10:22 AM
Regardless, what has the GOP ever done for the working man except trickle down on them? I hate that yellow stuff.:p

piece-itpete
09-27-2010, 10:28 AM
My apologies to my Democrat friends.

Misguided as they are :p

I realise business can be greedy and moneygrubbing.

However I thought 'it's the economy stupid!'. And let me clue yalls into a little known fact - the economy and business are kinda interrelated :D

Put too many restrictions on business and the business will go elsewhere.

Pete

Boreas
09-27-2010, 10:53 AM
Hah! Ever get mortar in your eye? A rash from machine oil?

How about threatened for working too hard in a union shop?

Gee, no. Never have.

Just because the Dems mouth on about jobs and the working man while voting free trade and dealing with Big Pharma doesn't mean anything. Right?

I forgot - The Dems are proving their commitment to the working man by keeping the tax cut in place for them. So if you're scraping by at $235K a year Dems are on your side.

Fuck the Democrats. Fuck the Republicans too. This whole "my team vs. your team" shit is killing the country.

John

merrylander
09-27-2010, 12:26 PM
My apologies to my Democrat friends.

Misguided as they are :p

I realise business can be greedy and moneygrubbing.

However I thought 'it's the economy stupid!'. And let me clue yalls into a little known fact - the economy and business are kinda interrelated :D

Put too many restrictions on business and the business will go elsewhere.

Pete


Don't put any restrictions on them and we will have another recession in ten years. Show me another country with the same f**ked up mortgage system we have. One of the things those brilliant business men designed for us.:rolleyes:

So maybe they will all move to Venezuala or China, then they will discover what restrictions mean. The average business leader would have difficulty locating his gluteus maximus with both hooves, assuming he could get them out of the trough first.

piece-itpete
09-27-2010, 12:51 PM
Heck it was my understanding if you paid a 'fee' to the 'right' people in China you'd suddenly find yourself as unregulated as you can get :)

Good news there though - factories are actualy starting to move inland because labor costs have gone up on the coasts. It's begun.

Up to $30/mo from $10 :eek:

Pete

merrylander
09-27-2010, 01:34 PM
Heck it was my understanding if you paid a 'fee' to the 'right' people in China you'd suddenly find yourself as unregulated as you can get :)

Good news there though - factories are actualy starting to move inland because labor costs have gone up on the coasts. It's begun.

Up to $30/mo from $10 :eek:

Pete

If you don't pay the fee you might get shot. Chinese shops are OK but when American companies open shop there they eventually find that all their intellectual property isn't.

BlueStreak
09-27-2010, 01:37 PM
My apologies to my Democrat friends.

Misguided as they are :p

I realise business can be greedy and moneygrubbing.

However I thought 'it's the economy stupid!'. And let me clue yalls into a little known fact - the economy and business are kinda interrelated :D

Put too many restrictions on business and the business will go elsewhere.

Pete

"yalls"?

Pete, Pete, Pete. I see you haven't spent enough time in the south.
It's "y'all",-plural form,----no "S".

The grammer is atrocious.

Dave

BlueStreak
09-27-2010, 01:40 PM
Gee, no. Never have.



Fuck the Democrats. Fuck the Republicans too. This whole "my team vs. your team" shit is killing the country.

John

Why don't you just say what's on your mind, John? All of this vagueness and beating around the bush is frustrating. We want to know how you really feel.

Dave

srbliss
11-09-2010, 07:56 PM
Lowered taxes for the last 8 years or so! What have Democrats done? Nafta? Soon to come cap and trade - yeah that will help workers.
Steve


Regardless, what has the GOP ever done for the working man except trickle down on them? I hate that yellow stuff.:p

CarlV
11-09-2010, 09:13 PM
Heck it was my understanding if you paid a 'fee' to the 'right' people in China you'd suddenly find yourself as unregulated as you can get :)
Good news there though - factories are actualy starting to move inland because labor costs have gone up on the coasts. It's begun.
Up to $30/mo from $10 :eek:

Pete
China loves it's big business but doesn't play around at all with anybody putting it at risk.
The entitled of Wall St. should be very thankful that we do literally nothing at all to them.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8375638.stm

Grumpy
07-13-2011, 09:23 PM
Guess whats been happening again ? You guessed it. Chrysler employees getting wasted on the job. This time not a public park but across the street from the plant at the UAW hall. All I can say is WTF ???

BlueStreak
07-14-2011, 12:42 AM
Guess whats been happening again ? You guessed it. Chrysler employees getting wasted on the job. This time not a public park but across the street from the plant at the UAW hall. All I can say is WTF ???

They know how to party?

One day our facility maintenance crew got called to look at a malfunctioning toilet in the mens locker room.
There was a "40" of Colt stuck under the float.

One night last year they found a spent condom and a pile of chicken bones on the roof.

Some people just don't have any class.

Dave

JJIII
07-14-2011, 06:06 AM
They know how to party?



One night last year they found a spent condom and a pile of chicken bones on the roof.

Some people just don't have any class.

Dave

Now that conjures up some strange images in my mind!:eek: I used to think cigars were the limit!:D

Charles
07-16-2011, 12:02 PM
They know how to party?

One day our facility maintenance crew got called to look at a malfunctioning toilet in the mens locker room.
There was a "40" of Colt stuck under the float.

One night last year they found a spent condom and a pile of chicken bones on the roof.

Some people just don't have any class.

Dave

Sounds like my crew from a few years back.

Had one guy, Terry, who would get up at 4 AM and start drinking. They left one day in my company van (called the "Party Van" at the lumber yard) and returned a couple of minutes later because Terry had forgotten his tools. I asked, "You didn't forget your cooler of beer, did you?"

He hadn't.

Had another one show up when we were doing the addition on the local Methodist Church wearing a tee shirt which read "I may be shy, but I've got a big dick". I finally had to read these yahoos the riot act.

Even construction workers should have a certain amount of decorum. Damned idiots, including myself for putting up with it for over 10 seconds.

Chas