Anyone wanna take bets . .

[d-ray657]

that if the Republicans gain a majority in either house, the employers will suddenly let go of all of that cash they have been hoarding, and the GOP will take credit for the increase in employment. Never mind that the stimulus program put much of that money in the companies' pockets.

Regards,

D-Ray

[finnbow]

that if the Republicans gain a majority in either house, the employers will suddenly let go of all of that cash they have been hoarding, and the GOP will take credit for the increase in employment. Never mind that the stimulus program put much of that money in the companies' pockets.

Regards,

D-Ray

Actually, I'd take that bet. Businesses are hoarding cash due to uncertainty about the economy. The GOP takeover of the House (I doubt they'll get the Senate) will not change any uncertainty about the economy.

[d-ray657]

Actually, I'd take that bet. Businesses are hoarding cash due to uncertainty about the economy. The GOP takeover of the House (I doubt they'll get the Senate) will not change any uncertainty about the economy.

I guess I've stayed ahead of you in cynicism; I don't trust the excuses they've given.

Regards,

D-Ray

[finnbow]

Of course, the GOP will take credit when the economy inevitably gets turned around (with or without their help). That much I'm certain of. It's the idea of business sitting on their cash until the GOP takes over the House that I'm skeptical about. They'll spend when they figure they'll make money from doing so (as it should be IMHO).

[BlueStreak]

I tend to lean more towards what Finn is saying these days. But, then again, hoarding due to uncertainty in the economy can be tied in, if they believe a GOP house will mean they get to keep their Bush era tax cut.

[merrylander]

that if the Republicans gain a majority in either house, the employers will suddenly let go of all of that cash they have been hoarding, and the GOP will take credit for the increase in employment. Never mind that the stimulus program put much of that money in the companies' pockets.

Regards,

D-Ray

Ah, so you finally agree with me! No, I won't take that bet because I don't believe a single one of the excuses they have been giving for not hiring. There is enough demand that they are working existing staff overtime, so all the excuses are the usual BS.

BTW, we are now a third world country, BMW is going to build cars in SC (Senator Demented's stomping grounds) because they can pay people $15 per hour, half of what their German workers get, the freetraders have finally achieved their goal.:rolleyes:

[piece-itpete]

If the employers release their funds, it will show that the uncertainty came from not knowing what the government is planning under the Dems.

And it's the Dems own fault. I don't think I've ever heard such business bashing in my lifetime. Class warfare rhetoric doesn't help anyone.

Pete

[merrylander]

If the employers release their funds, it will show that the uncertainty came from not knowing what the government is planning under the Dems.

And it's the Dems own fault. I don't think I've ever heard such business bashing in my lifetime. Class warfare rhetoric doesn't help anyone.

Pete

Well the teabaggers say they want to take us back, back to when? To the 50s, 60s and 70s when we still had a middle class? Or to the 80s, 90s and 00s when Saint Ronnie started the war on unions and the middle class? If you don't like class warfare just remember that the Republicans started it.:p

[finnbow]

Business' allegiance is to the bottom line. If they think investing/hiring will improve their bottom line, they'll do it. If not, they won't. The question is whether they think a change in the House will materially impact their bottom line. Some might, others won't.

I'd be thrilled if the economy miraculously goes gangbusters after the election. You can't change the fact that both parties will claim credit or assign blame. But if people get back to work, we'll be better off for it.

[BlueStreak]

And it's the Dems own fault. I don't think I've ever heard such business bashing in my lifetime. Class warfare rhetoric doesn't help anyone.

Pete

Perhaps not. But it is a great deal of fun, and I believe it's good that the "Captains of Capitalism", occassionaly get to hear what people really think of them.:)

I will have to disagree with you on one point, though, Pete. I think their own behaviour brings it on and they bear sole blame. The Dems just have the audacity to say what others won't.

Dave

[piece-itpete]

Talk about growing the economy by hamstringing business? :p

Pete

[whell]

that if the Republicans gain a majority in either house, the employers will suddenly let go of all of that cash they have been hoarding, and the GOP will take credit for the increase in employment. Never mind that the stimulus program put much of that money in the companies' pockets.

Regards,

D-Ray

My company seems to have missed out on the stimulus money gravy train you mention, as have most. Regardless, if business activity picks up, it will have less to do with which political party is in charge and everything to do with whether or not there is clarity on tax policy and pending regulation.

[whell]

Well the teabaggers say they want to take us back, back to when? To the 50s, 60s and 70s when we still had a middle class? Or to the 80s, 90s and 00s when Saint Ronnie started the war on unions and the middle class? If you don't like class warfare just remember that the Republicans started it.:p

Someone bump the turntable. The record is skipping again! :rolleyes:

[merrylander]

Business' allegiance is to the bottom line. If they think investing/hiring will improve their bottom line, they'll do it. If not, they won't. The question is whether they think a change in the House will materially impact their bottom line. Some might, others won't.

I'd be thrilled if the economy miraculously goes gangbusters after the election. You can't change the fact that both parties will claim credit or assign blame. But if people get back to work, we'll be better off for it.

Finn I am beginning to think the bailout was wrong, a damn good depression and the collapse of the big banks might just be what the country needs, might knock some sense into people.:rolleyes:

[BlueStreak]

Someone bump the turntable. The record is skipping again! :rolleyes:

It's the nagging truth, not a skipping turntable.

When you cut the greediest people on the planet loose to do as they damn well please, what do you think is going to happen? Think their going to start showering the rest of us with gobs of cash? Please. This makes no sense.

I tend to think they're going to screw us out of every last penny they can get their hands on, and then beg, borrow or steal to get even more. All the while trying to make us feel guilty for getting in their way. This is why they want the regulators and unions out of the way, and why "the love of money" is evil (As your Bible tells you.).----Because greed is never satisfied, it keeps going until only the most ruthless among us have everything and we end up fighting over their table scraps.

I don't understand how you can see it any other way.

Dave

[merrylander]

It's the nagging truth, not a skipping turntable.

When you cut the greediest people on the planet loose to do as they damn well please, what do you think is going to happen? Think their going to start showering the rest of us with gobs of cash? Please. This makes no sense.

I tend to think they're going to screw us out of every last penny they can get their hands on, and then beg, borrow or steal to get even more. All the while trying to make us feel guilty for getting in their way. This is why they want the regulators and unions out of the way, and why "the love of money" is evil (As your Bible tells you.).----Because greed is never satisfied, it keeps going until only the most ruthless among us have everything and we end up fighting over their table scraps.

I don't understand how you can see it any other way.

Dave

Really? It is quite obvious to me, he has had a big gulp of the kool aid.:D

[noonereal]

that if the Republicans gain a majority in either house, the employers will suddenly let go of all of that cash they have been hoarding, and the GOP will take credit for the increase in employment. Never mind that the stimulus program put much of that money in the companies' pockets.

Regards,

D-Ray

don't you know they are scared to put their money back into the casino until they are sure the fix is in again?

[whell]

When you cut the greediest people on the planet loose to do as they damn well please, what do you think is going to happen?

They get elected as US Senator or Representative and empower themselves to take money away from the folks who earned it. :p


I tend to think they're going to screw us out of every last penny they can get their hands on, and then beg, borrow or steal to get even more.

When you look up taxes in the dictionary, I think that's pretty much the definition.


All the while trying to make us feel guilty for getting in their way.

Yup, this explains the treatment of conservatives and the Tea Party activist by the ruling class.


Because greed is never satisfied, it keeps going until only the most ruthless among us have everything and we end up fighting over their table scraps.


Pretty much sums up the sentiments of those who tore down the Berlin Wall.

[whell]

Really? It is quite obvious to me, he has had a big gulp of the kool aid.:D

Burp! ;)

[d-ray657]

They get elected as US Senator or Representative and empower themselves to take money away from the folks who earned it. :p



When you look up taxes in the dictionary, I think that's pretty much the definition.



Yup, this explains the treatment of conservatives and the Tea Party activist by the ruling class.



Pretty much sums up the sentiments of those who tore down the Berlin Wall.

Do you really believe that people will be treated better with unrestrained capitalism than with laws providing a minimum wage, protecting the rights of workers to organize, preventing discrimination, establishing safety standards, and requiring employers to make contributions toward retirement income, to name just a few? This doesn't even take into account the precedence the bottom line takes over anything else - the environment, the survival of the areas where plants are located, the sustainability of a public education system, the health of its workers or neighbors, the truth of its marketing claims.

Yup, this explains the treatment of conservatives and the Tea Party activist by the ruling class.

Oh, you mean the media conglomerate and oil giants who helped whip them up into a frenzy to do the fact cats' bidding.

When you look up taxes in the dictionary, I think that's pretty much the definition.

"To tax (from the Latin '; "I estimate", which in turn is from '; "I touch") is to impose a financial charge or other levy upon a taxpayer (an individual or legal entity) by a state or the functional equivalent of a state such that failure to pay is punishable by law.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxes

# : The mass noun for money paid to the government for public purposes"




Regards,

D-Ray

[BlueStreak]

Really? I wish someone had told me of my elite standing much sooner. I sure as hell wouldn't still be turning a wrench, you can bet your ass on that.

I'm part of "the ruling class" because I've seen how easily people are manipulated with quasi-religious flagwaiving horseshit, lying amateur historians feeding them loads of crap and convincing them that they "Hate America" if they don't follow the flock, propagandists scaring them with visions of Gestapo stormtroopers kicking their doors in...................

Please. Go "Teabag for Jesus" and spare me your BS.

Dave

[merrylander]

Really? I wish someone had told me of my elite standing much sooner. I sure as hell wouldn't still be turning a wrench, you can bet your ass on that.

I'm part of "the ruling class" because I've seen how easily people are manipulated with quasi-religious flagwaiving horseshit, lying amateur historians feeding them loads of crap and convincing them that they "Hate America" if they don't follow the flock, propagandists scaring them with visions of Gestapo stormtroopers kicking their doors in...................

Please. Go "Teabag for Jesus" and spare me your BS.

Dave

I found out that I am also a member of the 'elite' when I took one of those tests, the only question I could answer in the affirmative was"Did you ever live in a town of less than 25,000 population". Heck on a good summer day it probably hit 1500.:D

I did not know the name of some NASCR driver, well whoopee shit, other questions of a similar ilk. Gee, are the only two choices elite or redneck? How about a conservative free thinker with as Poirot would say some of those 'little grey cells'.:rolleyes:

[piece-itpete]

My company seems to have missed out on the stimulus money gravy train you mention, as have most. ....

Us too here. But interestingly, a company near me, that has hosted a number of bigwig Dems, had the stimulous buy it a great deal of expensive new equipment.

I guess business is good if they're Democrats. Change!

Really? I wish someone had told me of my elite standing much sooner. I sure as hell wouldn't still be turning a wrench, you can bet your ass on that.



The grass isn't always greener. I'd rather be working on cars than dealing with 1/2 the lunkheads I do.

Pete

[merrylander]

Us too here. But interestingly, a company near me, that has hosted a number of bigwig Dems, had the stimulous buy it a great deal of expensive new equipment.

I guess business is good if they're Democrats. Change!

Pete

What exactly is it that your two firms do, could they have actually do something useful with more more, useful in the country's sake that is.:rolleyes:

[BlueStreak]

If my company were given any stimulus money, they'd go out and buy a yacht for upper management to go deep sea fishing on. And then claim they have no money for maintenance.

I had an interesting conversation with one of the supervisors yesterday.
"We now have a President, COO, CFO, Senior Vice President, Seven, count'em, SEVEN Vice Presidents, four Directors who used to be managers, four new managers to replace the ones who are now directors, an "Efficiency Director" who has a "Six-Sigma Blackbelt Efficiency expert" and two assistants working for him, a total of twelve supervisors and that's just the manufacturing side. We also have a Director of Human resources, a Human Resources Manager and an assitant for each. Then there's accounting........
We have a grand total of 150 hourly emloyees, nation wide."

Dave