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Fast_Eddie
11-11-2010, 04:54 PM
I won't say who I'm talking about until I lay out a few things I learned with a quick google search. Here's what this person has done...

He funded dissident movements behind the Iron Curtain to help bring about the end of the Soviet Union.

Promoted non-violent democratization of former soviet states.

Was instrumental in moving Hungary from Communism to Capitalism in the late 80s.

Provided $35 Million for underprivileged children in New York City.

His efforts have been called "crucial in the collapse of Communism in Eastern Europe."

Donated $100 Million to counter effects of the economic crisis on poor people in Eastern Europe.

There was a lot more, but this isn't intended to be an exhaustive resume. Just some highlights of one man's life. And clearly, there can be more to a person then a few highlights and donations. But I think these are more than anecdotal examples of the way this man seems to have conducted his life and exerted his clearly significant influence. This is a business man who has profited from and encouraged the growth of capitalism, contributed to the fall of Communism and given generously to people in need.

So what kind of guy do you think that is?

d-ray657
11-11-2010, 05:08 PM
I won't say who I'm talking about until I lay out a few things I learned with a quick google search. Here's what this person has done...

He funded dissident movements behind the Iron Curtain to help bring about the end of the Soviet Union.

Promoted non-violent democratization of former soviet states.

Was instrumental in moving Hungary from Communism to Capitalism in the late 80s.

Provided $35 Million for underprivileged children in New York City.

His efforts have been called "crucial in the collapse of Communism in Eastern Europe."

Donated $100 Million to counter effects of the economic crisis on poor people in Eastern Europe.

There was a lot more, but this isn't intended to be an exhaustive resume. Just some highlights of one man's life. And clearly, there can be more to a person then a few highlights and donations. But I think these are more than anecdotal examples of the way this man seems to have conducted his life and exerted his clearly significant influence. This is a business man who has profited from and encouraged the growth of capitalism, contributed to the fall of Communism and given generously to people in need.

So what kind of guy do you think that is?

It has to be that evil left wing election manipulator, Mr. Soros.

Regards,

D-Ray

Fast_Eddie
11-11-2010, 05:16 PM
Here are some quotes from the person I'm talking about. Obviously, if you're so inclined, this will make it really easy to figure out who it is with a little google work. But see if you can start to form some opinion before you find out who I'm talking about.

"Markets are designed to allow individuals to look after their private needs and to pursue profit. It's really a great invention and I wouldn't under-estimate the value of that"

"An open society is a society which allows its members the greatest possible degree of freedom in pursuing their interests compatible with the interests of others."

"I chose America as my home because I value freedom and democracy, civil liberties and an open society."

"Most of the poverty and misery in the world is due to bad government, lack of democracy, weak states, internal strife, and so on."

Fast_Eddie
11-11-2010, 06:03 PM
Lot of views, not a lot of comments. I think you're all on to my game, but no one has told you what to think about it yet.

What time is Beck on? I'll check in after.

Charles
11-11-2010, 06:18 PM
Lot of views, not a lot of comments. I think you're all on to my game, but no one has told you what to think about it yet.

What time is Beck on? I'll check in after.

That was too easy Ed, everyone knows it was Soros.

To tell the truth, I never realized what a prince of a fellow he is.

Hell, I think I'll even have him over to the house on Sunday for fried chicken!!!

Chas

noonereal
11-11-2010, 06:37 PM
That was too easy Ed, everyone knows it was Soros.

To tell the truth, I never realized what a prince of a fellow he is.

Hell, I think I'll even have him over to the house on Sunday for fried chicken!!!

Chas

chicken you say? :rolleyes:

Charles
11-11-2010, 06:46 PM
chicken you say? :rolleyes:

Hell yeah, with mashed taters & gravy, green beans, corn, biscuits, & appa pie!!!

Used to do it every Sunday when I was a kid.

Still remember the first time I saw a chicken running around without a head, one of the few things I remember from my childhood.

Chas

Fast_Eddie
11-11-2010, 06:47 PM
I didn't know much about him, but Beck did a two part "expose" on the guy to show how he's, no kidding, getting ready to overthrow America. His evidence - hey, he's overthrown governments before. Yeah, the Soviet Union.

This is a guy who has spent untold millions of his own fortune to promote democracy and capitalism throughout the world and Beck has a vendetta against him because he spent millions trying to get Bush out of office in 2004.

I really dislike Beck and his effort to divide America, but this is pretty low even for him.

d-ray657
11-11-2010, 06:53 PM
OK, Ed. I'll give you a semi-rhetorical question as my initial comment. How much success is there in your industry when they try to promote a nuanced story on a personality. Isn't it easier to promote a story on a hero or a villain?

Someone who has made money as Soros has has obviously made it to the detriment of someone else. When he wins a bet, someone loses a bet. He has to have created some enemies.

I think many on the right are anxious to discredit him because he has promoted ideas contrary to their interest, and he has put a lot of resources into such promotion. It seems, however, that his interest in philanthropy came long before his interest in politics - or at least his involvement in the game. It is quite obvious, however, that his interest in politics is not just an extension of his self-interest. Much of what he promotes is contrary to the interests of the propertied class. Maybe he is reviled as a traitor to his own kind.:eek:

Regards,

D-Ray

finnbow
11-11-2010, 06:55 PM
To me, the demonization of Soros by the right is nothing but an effort to legitimize Rupert Murdoch by portraying Soros as a worse puppet-master/scoundrel than the right's own version thereof.

d-ray657
11-11-2010, 07:07 PM
I didn't know much about him, but Beck did a two part "expose" on the guy to show how he's, no kidding, getting ready to overthrow America. His evidence - hey, he's overthrown governments before. Yeah, the Soviet Union.

This is a guy who has spent untold millions of his own fortune to promote democracy and capitalism throughout the world and Beck has a vendetta against him because he spent millions trying to get Bush out of office in 2004.

I really dislike Beck and his effort to divide America, but this is pretty low even for him.

Apparently, beck got the attention of the ADL (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/order-smear-soros-beck-approvingly-c)too. Either beck is so stupid that he doesn't know he is selling falsehoods, or he too mercenary to care.

Regards,

D-Ray

Fast_Eddie
11-11-2010, 09:18 PM
OK, Ed. I'll give you a semi-rhetorical question as my initial comment. How much success is there in your industry when they try to promote a nuanced story on a personality. Isn't it easier to promote a story on a hero or a villain?

Need to get you on staff in our newsroom. My department makes the promos. I'm the guy who sits in the meeting and says "that's a great story, but if I'm going to sell it I need a bad guy".

And even at that- this makes me literally quake with anger. Leveraging his childhood as a Jew under the Nazi as ammunition in a hit squad 'expose' is the lowest I've personally seen Beck stoop.

You guys have seen me calm down about this stuff quite a bit over the last year or so. I have friends on Facebook who post stuff and I actually get pretty upset with them for saying things about people they disagree with. I got called out by a friend of mine the other day for suggesting that Bush sounded reasonable in an interview on Oprah. So, yeah, I'm a Democrat, but really trying to be middle of the road.

Even so, I think if Glenn Beck were standing in this room right now, I'd deck the SOB. Really makes me angry. Go after Obama- call him a Socialist if you like. Whatever. But to pick on a guy who did what he had to do to survive- as a KID- under the Nazis. Good lord.

If Olberman did something like this the Tea folk would be marching in Washington demanding he be jailed.

Charles
11-11-2010, 09:42 PM
No offense guys, but I came to the conclusion that I needed to be serious about life...nose to the grindstone, should to the wheel, etc.

So I dropped out for a couple of months, abused myself to the point that I needed some relaxation.

Decided to cheer myself up by dropping in here for a little mindless banter.

I feel that I've failed on the former, but I've not been disappointed with the latter.

Chas

d-ray657
11-11-2010, 09:47 PM
Ed, I agree with you the disgusting presentation is low, even for beck. Your anger is justified.

I tend to look at the middle of the road just a little bit differently than you stated it however. I don't think one gives up either conservative or progressive principles to acknowledge some merit in a position taken by a political opponent, or some merit to the person who is a political opponent. Indeed, I would like to see more of that. That's what was so comical when Tom Coburn, one of the rightest wingers in the senate, caught crap for saying Nancy Pelosi is a nice lady. Highlighting value differences and political differences does not mean that we have to demonize our opponents.

I doubt that many thinking conservatives would condone beck's slanderous portrayal of Mr. Soros. Most conservatives would seriously disagree with the way Soros has chosen his political allegiances, but I doubt they consider him a monster - or a Nazi collaborator.

I also doubt that too many conservatives would agree with us that beck is a monster, even if they agree that he stepped out of bounds. To me the moral turpitude* of deliberately engaging in a step by step character assassination, considered along with his ongoing campaign of misinformation, is enough to make beck a villain, and certainly to publicly question his character.

Regards,

D-Ray

*try to fit that word into normal conversation.;)

d-ray657
11-11-2010, 09:52 PM
No offense guys, but I came to the conclusion that I needed to be serious about life...nose to the grindstone, should to the wheel, etc.

So I dropped out for a couple of months, abused myself to the point that I needed some relaxation.

Decided to cheer myself up by dropping in here for a little mindless banter.

I feel that I've failed on the former, but I've not been disappointed with the latter.

Chas

But clearly take your job here seriously. You and Sandy, whenever he comes around, do a doggone good job of keeping us from taking ourselves too seriously, at least for a minute or two.:rolleyes:

Besides, I've been sitting here listing to CSNY's Four Way Street, and it's got my radical spirit all pumped up.

Regards,

D-Ray

noonereal
11-11-2010, 09:58 PM
No offense guys, but I came to the conclusion that I needed to be serious about life...nose to the grindstone, should to the wheel, etc.

So I dropped out for a couple of months, abused myself to the point that I needed some relaxation.

Decided to cheer myself up by dropping in here for a little mindless banter.

I feel that I've failed on the former, but I've not been disappointed with the latter.

Chas

maybe this will cheer you up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfGWPpPy0uw

feel free to call me curly

Charles
11-12-2010, 06:35 AM
maybe this will cheer you up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfGWPpPy0uw

feel free to call me curly

Always been a big fan of the Stooges...they remind me of my operation!!!

Chas

noonereal
11-12-2010, 06:44 AM
Always been a big fan of the Stooges...they remind me of my operation!!!

Chas


lol, now that's better!;)