Death Panels Revisited

[d-ray657]

In a column by an American Enterprise Institute scholar, (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/31/AR2010123102727.html) it appears that state governments are deciding who lives and who dies as a result of health care rationing. These decisions are a far cry from the end of life counseling that could occur under the federal health care reform legislation.

Regards,

D-Ray

[BlueStreak]

Yeah, but as long as the states are doing it of their own free will and not because our Dear Leader the Fascist Nazi/Communist/Muslim/Baby Murderer/Kenyan Anti-Colonial Socialist/Space Alien/Boogeyman-in-your-kids-closet/Fag Lover Barrack HUSSEIN Obama is ramming it down their throats while he has his boot on their necks....whew.....It's all good.

You know, that whole "states rights" thingy and all.

Dave

[d-ray657]

Yeah, people should consider it a privilege to die because of their state's inaction. But at least their tax rates were low while they were alive.

Regards.

D-Ray

[Charles]

I donno, a half a mill for a new liver sounds kind of steep to me.

Then again, I don't have a problem with end of life counseling, or even death panels, as far as that goes. I'm kind of like my old Dodge, I've pretty much reached the point where I ain't worth fixin'.

And I ain't too hep on lettin' the sawbones try to rebuild me. All I want 'em to do is give me a sack full of narcotics to kind of easy my way to the new world. And the goobermitt could pony up a little of that socialist security money to keep me in likker for the last few months.

I ain't askin' for much.

And I also catch the drift of this thread...the Pubbies are coming across like a bunch of two faced chickenshits on this issue. Personally, I think they're doing themselves more harm than good by trying to play politics with this "death panel" BS.

Chas

[BlueStreak]

Yeah, people should consider it a privilege to die because of their state's inaction. But at least their tax rates were low while they were alive.

Regards.

D-Ray

And that's what it's all about, aint it, Don?

I know I've mentioned it before, but I'll never forget a guy on another message board the day Obama was elected; "I don't care what you do. Do whatever you want, just don't touch my guns!"

The scope of vision is amazing. Isn't it?

As a friend on Facebook asked me recently; "Can you imagine this country trying to fight WW2 or build the Interstate Highway system today?" Think about that, Don. Think about the current administration taking control of entire industries and ordering them to halt production and changeover to a different product as FDR did (Even before Pearl Harbor.) Imagine Obama making the wealthy pay over 90% to build infrastructure as Eisenhower did. Or writing NASA (pretty much) a blank check for space exploration as JFK did..................

Will this country ever achieve great things again? Nobody wants to do the work and nobody would be willing to pay for it anyways. Sad. Maybe future generations will have the will and the drive, but it will be a long, long time I'm afraid.

Dave

[d-ray657]

America will advance no further than "free enterprise" will allow us to go.

Regards,

D-ray

[CarlV]

We have to put a break between the lobbyists and our Congress. We all saw what a million dollars a day of lobbyist lies can do. Corruption at it's finest IMO.

[Charles]

America will advance no further than "free enterprise" will allow us to go.

Regards,

D-ray

"free enterprise"?

Perhaps we should try it again, it used to work.

Chas

[d-ray657]

"free enterprise"?

Perhaps we should try it again, it used to work.

Chas

There are too many who don't want real competition to ever have a free market again - not as long as we continue to have lobbying and unlimited use of money to influence politics.

Regards,

D-Ray

[piece-itpete]

Highways, construction, etc? Look to the left for your stumbling block. And yes, there's some NIMBY, but look at the folks who pay the laywers. No friends of the right.

Pete

[d-ray657]

Highways, construction, etc? Look to the left for your stumbling block. And yes, there's some NIMBY, but look at the folks who pay the laywers. No friends of the right.

Pete

That was a little cryptic for me to understand. :confused: Wanna further educate me?

Regards,

D-Ray

[CarlV]

+1 lol

[piece-itpete]

Look to who's paying for the legal fees to block various construction, is all.

Pete

[d-ray657]

Look to who's paying for the legal fees to block various construction, is all.

Pete

I am still lost. I don't know what construction you are talking about, who proposed the construction, and what it has to do with us ever again achieving great things like the moon shot or the interstate highway system (or for that matter with State-run death panels, which result from people wanting everything from government but not wanting to pay taxes.)

Regards,

D-Ray

[piece-itpete]

Just that there is a reason we can't build critical infastructure anymore, highways to power lines to power plants. China is currently building a highway system linking EVERY city 500,000+.

And space? It's much more important to make sure every government worker can retire before 60.

Yeah, I'm rambling a bit. Death panels do and will always exist.

Pete

[merrylander]

There definitely is a reason - we pissed away all the money in Iraq and Afghanistan building roads among other things.

[d-ray657]

Shouldn't mass transit be included in the demands for infrastructure, and high speed trains. I would much rather look forward to such transportation systems than to continue to subsidize the oil and auto companies by building more roads.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Charles]

Shouldn't mass transit be included in the demands for infrastructure, and high speed trains. I would much rather look forward to such transportation systems than to continue to subsidize the oil and auto companies by building more roads.

Regards,

D-Ray

I can't think of one place that I need, or want to go that the train or bus will take me.

They just don't work in Bugtussell.

Chas

[piece-itpete]

It depends, if they're actually going to be used, my take. 'round here, most buses drive by empty.

But apparently the much ballyhood Euclid Corridor project is perhaps a success. It does make sense to have mass transit where people are dense.

Pete

[piece-itpete]

Lol that was unintentional.

Pete

[d-ray657]

It does make sense to have mass transit where people are dense.

Pete

I hear it's very effective in Washington, D.C.

Regards,

D-Ray

[finnbow]

I hear it's very effective in Washington, D.C.

Regards,

D-Ray

Duh, what?:confused:

[Charles]

Lol that was unintentional.

Pete

You're not gonna weasel out that easy!!!

Chas

[BlueStreak]

Lol that was unintentional.

Pete

I dunno, I've spent enough time in Cleveland to be familliar with the density of it's people......................:p

Dave

[d-ray657]

How many Clevelanders does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Regards,

D-Ray

[BlueStreak]

100. One holds the bulb and the other ninety nine spin the house.

Dave

[piece-itpete]

Lmao! Cleveland is such an easy target.

Cleveland!

See? :)

Pete

[mossbacked]

In a column by an American Enterprise Institute scholar, (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/31/AR2010123102727.html) it appears that state governments are deciding who lives and who dies as a result of health care rationing. These decisions are a far cry from the end of life counseling that could occur under the federal health care reform legislation.

Regards,

D-Ray

You make a great point. You illustrate PERFECTLY that Yes, once we get the f'n Feds back out of it, we need to concentrate on getting the f'n States back out of it. Then we can scrutinize what the local folks are doing and weigh in there.

[merrylander]

You make a great point. You illustrate PERFECTLY that Yes, once we get the f'n Feds back out of it, we need to concentrate on getting the f'n States back out of it. Then we can scrutinize what the local folks are doing and weigh in there.

Then we can let the insurance and drug companies get back to their task of screwing us.:p

[noonereal]

You make a great point. You illustrate PERFECTLY that Yes, once we get the f'n Feds back out of it, we need to concentrate on getting the f'n States back out of it. Then we can scrutinize what the local folks are doing and weigh in there.

how are the states involved?

[d-ray657]

You make a great point. You illustrate PERFECTLY that Yes, once we get the f'n Feds back out of it, we need to concentrate on getting the f'n States back out of it. Then we can scrutinize what the local folks are doing and weigh in there.

I'd be happy if we could get the f'n multinational financial conglomerates out of health care. Then the people would maybe have some real access to it. As it is now, the only way one can reach the money attached to health care is through our elected representatives. Ill take elected representatives over multinational conglomerates any day.

Regards,

D-Ray

[merrylander]

how are the states involved?

So far all 50 have taken federal money for PPACA.:rolleyes: