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whell
01-18-2011, 01:04 PM
From today's Financial Times:

US public pensions face $2,500bn shortfall

By Nicole Bullock in New York

Published: January 17 2011 22:00 | Last updated: January 17 2011 22:00

"US public pensions face a shortfall of $2,500bn that will force state and local governments to sell assets and make deep cuts to services, according to the former chairman of New Jersey’s pension fund.

The severe US economic recession has cast a spotlight on years of fiscal mismanagement, including chronic underfunding of retirement promises."

Probably no huge surprise here, but this may be the next round of potential Federal bailouts. Do you want to $2.5 trillion dollars in bailouts to the states using Federal dollars? Count me out.

d-ray657
01-18-2011, 01:41 PM
Should this situation fall on the back of the workers who did their jobs to earn the pensions as part of their compensation package - sometimes at the cost of eligibility for participation in Social Security. I think it should fall on the state taxpayers who received the services in return for the promise to pay. The financial picture of the states has been damaged by the trend to cut taxes but expect more from government. It is also related to the unrealistic federal tax rate that has prevailed in recent (20-30) years. The states rights advocates got what they wanted with more responsibilities falling to the states, but the states did not rise to the task, because they did not have the political will to provide for sufficient revenue to cover such obligations.

Regards,

D-Ray

piece-itpete
01-18-2011, 02:08 PM
2.5 tril here, 2.5 there (ss), heck whats 5 tril between friends?

Hear that howling wind? The public union storm is coming.

Pete

Charles
01-18-2011, 02:17 PM
It's the taxpayers fault.

Chas

d-ray657
01-18-2011, 02:33 PM
Hey Pete, 4,000 posts: woo hoo!

Regards,

D-ray

piece-itpete
01-18-2011, 02:34 PM
Holy crap! I talk WAAAAYYYYY to much :)

I blame beer. Thanks D!

Pete

d-ray657
01-18-2011, 02:36 PM
Holy crap! I talk WAAAAYYYYY to much :)

I blame beer. Thanks D!

Pete

Then I wanna work where you do. Don't you do nearly all of your posting at work?:D

Regards,

D-ray

piece-itpete
01-18-2011, 02:56 PM
Shhhh.

:D

Pete

merrylander
01-18-2011, 02:59 PM
Underfunding pensions seems to be a national pastime.

finnbow
01-18-2011, 03:06 PM
Underfunding pensions seems to be a national pastime.

Why pay today when you can put it off until tomorrow?

http://charlieforoakland.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/wimpygovernment.jpg

Charles
01-18-2011, 03:13 PM
Why pay today when you can put it off until tomorrow?

http://charlieforoakland.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/wimpygovernment.jpg

I know he's from California, but I can't remember if it's the senate or house.

Chas