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Twodogs
10-02-2009, 01:55 PM
Ha, apparently Obama, Michelle, AND Oprah weren't enough to get Chicago the Olympics. I can't imagine that he went in person without having a lock on it (a known lock). This guy has done more to sully Americas reputation than anyone since Carter. What an idiot. When is he going to realise he's the President of the United States, and start acting like one.:mad:

Fast_Eddie
10-02-2009, 02:07 PM
Ha, apparently Obama, Michelle, AND Oprah weren't enough to get Chicago the Olympics. I can't imagine that he went in person without having a lock on it (a known lock). This guy has done more to sully Americas reputation than anyone since Carter. What an idiot. When is he going to realise he's the President of the United States, and start acting like one.:mad:

Are you trying to be funny? Sully America's reputation? More than Bush?

See, this is that business I get tired of. You're glad he failed? You're glad America failed? As much as I disliked Bush and as much as I thought Iraq was a bad idea, I never hoped we failed.

Charles
10-02-2009, 02:07 PM
Ha, apparently Obama, Michelle, AND Oprah weren't enough to get Chicago the Olympics. I can't imagine that he went in person without having a lock on it (a known lock). This guy has done more to sully Americas reputation than anyone since Carter. What an idiot. When is he going to realise he's the President of the United States, and start acting like one.:mad:

Everyone knows that even Obama was unable to overcome the hatred towards our country created by Shrub and Chaney. Mmmm, Mmmm, Mmmm.

Then again, if you could go to either Rio or Chicago, which would you chose?

Myself, I'd rather go fishing in Arkansas, even if all I catch is a rock.

Chas

Fast_Eddie
10-02-2009, 02:09 PM
Then again, if you could go to either Rio or Chicago, which would you chose?


Hot topless women dancing or fat people eating. Hummm.

noonereal
10-02-2009, 02:29 PM
When is he going to realise he's the President of the United States, and start acting like one.:mad:

bush had 8 years and never did.

just sayin

Twodogs
10-02-2009, 02:56 PM
Your damn right I hope he fails.

merrylander
10-02-2009, 03:20 PM
And takes the country down with him? Sounds like sedition to me.

Twodogs
10-02-2009, 03:29 PM
And takes the country down with him? Sounds like sedition to me.

You said that, not me. My thinking is that if he fails WITH HIS AGENDA, the country may survive his presidency. I know you guys have a better grip on the English language, so I guess twisting words, and adding on to comments passes for a slick debating strategy for the left.:confused:

Fast_Eddie
10-02-2009, 03:45 PM
You said that, not me. My thinking is that if he fails WITH HIS AGENDA, the country may survive his presidency. I know you guys have a better grip on the English language, so I guess twisting words, and adding on to comments passes for a slick debating strategy for the left.:confused:

No slick debating. I just think you're wrong. Getting the Olympics is no "agenda". We don't become Socialists if we get the games. But we would get a bunch of money we could use. So I'm not why you are taking glee in the failure. Some might call it un-American.

Charles
10-02-2009, 04:41 PM
No slick debating. I just think you're wrong. Getting the Olympics is no "agenda". We don't become Socialists if we get the games. But we would get a bunch of money we could use. So I'm not why you are taking glee in the failure. Some might call it un-American.

Actually, I believe that the Olympics are a money loser for the host. What you get is prestige.

And prestige, IMHO, is highly overrated. I'm a humility fan, myself.

The USA should conduct itself like the old farmer, beat up truck, tobacco juice down the front of his worn out bib overalls, but with everything paid for and money in the bank. Instead of acting like Slick, new McMansion, new Vette, little alligator on his golfing shirt, eats at the Ritz, and is leveraged 90%.

Now Noon, please don't tell me that the old farmers inherited everything, even if there is an element of truth to it. Old farmer and Slick are only metaphors for the fiscally responsible and the flash in the pan.

Whenever those sorry bastards inside of the Beltway start living like they've got some sense is the day I'll be willing to pay more taxes. I kind of feel like the old farmer, and Slick is my bastard son. Who talked my wife into giving him power of attorney.

Make of it what you wish,

Chas

noonereal
10-02-2009, 06:11 PM
Now Noon, please don't tell me that the old farmers inherited everything, even if there is an element of truth to it.





OK. But can I then refer to the farm aid given out even when a farmer is making healthy 6 figures? (while paying his employees less than minimum wage)

JJIII
10-02-2009, 06:21 PM
Are we talking about "Ole Zeke" who lives down the road from me or are we talking about "Corporate Farmers" that live overlooking Central Park? :confused:

noonereal
10-02-2009, 06:33 PM
Are we talking about "Ole Zeke" who lives down the road from me or are we talking about "Corporate Farmers" that live overlooking Central Park? :confused:

In my neck of the woods there are no corporate farmers just a buch of well off 3rd or 4th generation "Ole Zeke" s.

Charles
10-02-2009, 06:54 PM
OK. But can I then refer to the farm aid given out even when a farmer is making healthy 6 figures? (while paying his employees less than minimum wage)

Knock your lights out!!!

I found a USDA site which shows how much every rinky dink farmer gets from the Gubbmitt, fer not growin' pigs or corn, or whatever. Whenever I point this out to my farmin' buddies, they get hostile and defensive.

To tell the truth, no more than what they get, I wouldn't waste my time filling out paperwork and jumping through the hoops. And it ain't like they are running a 40 acres and a mule operation.

The only reason the government has subsdides like this it a form of behavior modification. Big boys don't need it, and the little guys can't afford to pay for the paperwork. The guys I know, who are in the middle, only do it because they think they are gaming the system...weekend warriors with pertty good government jobs, and they are in the know.

Farm subsdities are a joke.

We have one local sage who has his own radio show, the Brownfield Network. And he makes a living out of being a farmer, one of the few.

He's telling everyone to log their property, before the government makes it illegal to cut down their own trees, and he's right. And this is in Missouri, where pretty much anything goes, at least in Moniteau County.

I guess this falls within the law of unintended queconcenses.

Excuse me fellers, had a rough week and a brutal day. Somehow sparring with you guys puts me in a better mood. I'd ask my shrink about this, if I had one.

Thank you, thank you all,

Chas

Twodogs
10-02-2009, 07:03 PM
The farmers around here do fine, but they work their asses off. Anybody who thinks they know what hard work is, should try a dairy farm for about a year.:)

merrylander
10-03-2009, 08:55 AM
No slick debating. I just think you're wrong. Getting the Olympics is no "agenda". We don't become Socialists if we get the games. But we would get a bunch of money we could use. So I'm not why you are taking glee in the failure. Some might call it un-American.


Actually the people of Illinois should be delighted to have lost the olympics, a definite money loser all round. No one, except maybe China with their slave labour, has made money on the olympics.

I recall back in Montreal when the mayor proposed Expo67, he said it would be easier for a man to have a baby than for the Expo to lose money. After it was all over some reporter asked if he had decided on a name for the baby.

I have not watched an olympic event in over twenty years it has become so corrupted, and as for the IOC, a bigger bunch of wussies you cannot find.

Charles
10-03-2009, 09:51 AM
Actually the people of Illinois should be delighted to have lost the olympics, a definite money loser all round. No one, except maybe China with their slave labour, has made money on the olympics.

I recall back in Montreal when the mayor proposed Expo67, he said it would be easier for a man to have a baby than for the Expo to lose money. After it was all over some reporter asked if he had decided on a name for the baby.

I have not watched an olympic event in over twenty years it has become so corrupted, and as for the IOC, a bigger bunch of wussies you cannot find.

I don't even know about China. 1st they had to build all of that Olympic crapola that they had no use for, then they had to go so far as to paint the grass green, so that it looked like it was alive.

Not to mention, they had to shut down a bunch of factories so that the smog wouldn't kill people as the got off of the plane.

But it was their big chance to put on the dog, and not only in a literal sense. Hitler would have been proud.

Chas

spasmo55
10-03-2009, 11:15 AM
I have not watched an olympic event in over twenty years it has become so corrupted, and as for the IOC, a bigger bunch of wussies you cannot find.

Oh, yes I can, they are called the U.N.:D

Perhaps someone realized that IL is broke, very broke and they have a hard time finding a decent person to be governor.

merrylander
10-03-2009, 01:42 PM
The UN is a mixed bag, when I was in the standards game I saw a lot of them, the ITU being an arm of the UN. Some were quite dedicated, some liked two hour lunches.

The problem is that every country is a member and gets a vote in the General Assembley, some are very easliy swayed or bought outright. My experience was that a delegate from some African country would attend the meetings (Lord knows why) and stay the first day long enough to get shown as being in attendance. We would not see him again until the last day of the meeting, coming around just to collect all the papers.

The thing is some parts of the UN do work well, the IOC only has the IOC as a hole ^H^H^H^H whole.

Charles
10-03-2009, 02:50 PM
The UN is a mixed bag, when I was in the standards game I saw a lot of them, the ITU being an arm of the UN. Some were quite dedicated, some liked two hour lunches.

The problem is that every country is a member and gets a vote in the General Assembley, some are very easliy swayed or bought outright. My experience was that a delegate from some African country would attend the meetings (Lord knows why) and stay the first day long enough to get shown as being in attendance. We would not see him again until the last day of the meeting, coming around just to collect all the papers.

The thing is some parts of the UN do work well, the IOC only has the IOC as a hole ^H^H^H^H whole.

Every organization has it's producers, it's troublemakers, and it's duds.

If you judge the "League" by results, they are pretty dismal.

And by the way, I'd like to find the sculptor who created that Colt Python with a knot tied in the barrel and bend the barrel of my Colt Python over his head. It would be worth it.

He should have used a Kalashnikov for his subject if he wanted to make a valid statement. I would imagine that a very large percentage of Pythons have only been test fired at the most.

Chas

painter
10-03-2009, 03:18 PM
Ha, apparently Obama, Michelle, AND Oprah weren't enough to get Chicago the Olympics. I can't imagine that he went in person without having a lock on it (a known lock). This guy has done more to sully Americas reputation than anyone since Carter. What an idiot. When is he going to realise he's the President of the United States, and start acting like one.:mad:



Pay particular attention to the issue categories...especially Values, Biracial Identity Crisis.

This in particular would speak to the children of mixed marriages?

http://www.ontheissues.org/dreams_from_my_father.htm

merrylander
10-03-2009, 03:31 PM
Even if a voice came down from the heavens proclaiming Obama as the finest man extant y'all would still be criticizing him, lighten up.:rolleyes:

And didn't you say he was not your president, make up you minds.

painter
10-03-2009, 03:44 PM
Even if a voice came down from the heavens proclaiming Obama as the finest man extant y'all would still be criticizing him, lighten up.:rolleyes:

And didn't you say he was not your president, make up you minds.


I think you have your posts mixed up. I said he was the elected president...not America.
I don't proclaim to know it all. The post also had information on MANY books...his being just one. :rolleyes:

Sandy G
10-03-2009, 05:34 PM
If rio can pull this off, & manage not to make a hash of it, they will sorta then be in the "Big League' of the world's cities. Atlanta blew it, their local crookery-led by Mayor Bill Campbell- tried to steal a little TOO much. And the bombings didn't help. Rio has a pretty big crime problem, I hope they can solve it, or at least get it under control. Down there, I think they take care of crime the old-fashioned way-they take their crooks out back & shoot 'em. Something to be said for that...

Combwork
10-04-2009, 11:03 AM
No slick debating. I just think you're wrong. Getting the Olympics is no "agenda". We don't become Socialists if we get the games. But we would get a bunch of money we could use. So I'm not why you are taking glee in the failure. Some might call it un-American.

Not too sure about that. Maybe short term glory, but money required to stage the Olympics v income from the Olympics? It's a two edged sword.

noonereal
10-05-2009, 06:17 AM
I said he was the elected president...not America.
:

Ok, what does this mean? "not America"

painter
10-05-2009, 07:29 AM
Ok, what does this mean? "not America"



Just because you stand in a garage...it doesn't make you a CAR!

Now you know!

noonereal
10-05-2009, 01:58 PM
Just because you stand in a garage...it doesn't make you a CAR!

Now you know!

Did you mean American?

Are you one of those?

painter
10-05-2009, 05:58 PM
Some people consider Obama AMERICA instead of the president and if you disagree with his policies or actions...you are against America...not so.





Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie
Funny, when I did I was called un-American.


MY post...

Disagreement is guaranteed in a free Republic. Thank God for that.

The president is not America. He was elected and has his advisers to help him set forth his agenda's. We pay the salaries of all the Reps in DC. They work for US. Try telling your boss that...and you're in trouble...heh heh See the diff.
But the only opinion some people will accept is their own.
__________________
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. M.T.

Fast_Eddie
10-05-2009, 06:05 PM
Some people consider Obama AMERICA instead of the president and if you disagree with his policies or actions...you are against America...not so.





Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie
Funny, when I did I was called un-American.


MY post...

Disagreement is guaranteed in a free Republic. Thank God for that.

The president is not America. He was elected and has his advisers to help him set forth his agenda's. We pay the salaries of all the Reps in DC. They work for US. Try telling your boss that...and you're in trouble...heh heh See the diff.
But the only opinion some people will accept is their own.
__________________
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. M.T.

I think I understand what you're saying. I think we're saying the same thing. It's not right, but when I said Bush was wrong I was called un-American. Now some of the same people who called me that now disagree with Obama. And you don't have to bother saying "I never called anyone un-American for disagreeing with Bush". Funny. No one will admit they said it. Maybe we all dreamed it.

painter
10-05-2009, 06:20 PM
I think I understand what you're saying. I think we're saying the same thing. It's not right, but when I said Bush was wrong I was called un-American. Now some of the same people who called me that now disagree with Obama. And you don't have to bother saying "I never called anyone un-American for disagreeing with Bush". Funny. No one will admit they said it. Maybe we all dreamed it.


If we could just bury the past and accept that presidents are following the paths set forth before them by individuals who were earning their salaries. And concentrate on the present. It's a "he said...she said...he did...she did mentality. But that will never happen. IMHO I don't care if Mickey Mouse was president...as long as corruption is outlawed... character, TRUTH and the Constitution is upheld. This as been in existance for more than two hundred years. As for health care...I said this before...when I know what it covers and who it covers...I will give my opinion. Personally MY HUBBY should be in charge...he's a genius at ways and means. :D

Fast_Eddie
10-05-2009, 06:38 PM
Bury the past. Yeah, I guess you're right. Move on from today. Yup. No doubt about it.

But just once in a while I'd like to hear "you know, I *did* say those things. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, you know what? I was wrong".

Not going to hold my breath waiting.

wajobu
10-05-2009, 07:38 PM
Funny...

Major political commentators weren't yelling at George Bush to fail--he did that on his own. Those who criticized Bush were called un-American.

Now, the tables have turned and there is yelling and screaming for failure from the "right" and they are high-fiving over the Olympics going to South America. Fail, fail, fail ad nauseum. Funny, the "left" isn't yelling that the "right" is un-American.

The "right" are sore losers, some are bigots and they're going to scream and stamp their feet like spoiled brats until they get their way. If they had their way, we would be in an even worse mess than we are now. It was their de-regulation that started this whole economic mess--greedy people.

Private companies have been in charge of my health insurance for the last 9 years--a so called competitive de-regulated market. My premiums have increased 240% for far less coverage--greedy pigs. It's time for a Public Option, and I demand it, to force private companies to be competitive.

Forget avoiding a Republican filibuster--challenge them, take it to them. Let the Republicans filibuster and bring gridlock and expose THEM for being a roadblock to true governing and concern for our (their) citizens.

It's just unbelievable.

noonereal
10-05-2009, 07:42 PM
Funny...

Funny, the "left" isn't yelling that the "right" is un-American.

.

I am. I have had it with the Palin worshipers.

Twodogs
10-05-2009, 07:52 PM
Palin rocks!

Fast_Eddie
10-05-2009, 08:50 PM
Palin rocks!

Dude, you rockin' out tonight? lol

noonereal
10-06-2009, 01:26 PM
Palin rocks!

you i respect Dogs, her not so much.


I do admit she has a MILFie quality that grows on you, if you know what I mean. ;)

hillbilly
10-06-2009, 05:54 PM
you i respect Dogs,******** her not so much.********


I do admit she has a MILFie quality that grows on you, if you know what I mean. ;)


Why do you find so much fault with Palin? Do you know her? I bet our neighbor can tell folks more good about her than they'd probly care to believe. He's a good feller and lives on his 500 acre farm up the holler from us. He and his family knows her, and he ( Aaron ) is involved in school as well as I am, where our kids go to school together here in the sticks. Though he is a transplant, he's been here several years now and the locals respect his honesty, and love of country.

http://aarontippin.musiccitynetworks.com/index.htm?inc=5&news_id=14445


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hja0XND8Ms

painter
10-06-2009, 06:16 PM
Why do you find so much fault with Palin? Do you know her? I bet our neighbor can tell folks more good about her than they'd probly care to believe. He's a good feller and lives on his 500 acre farm up the holler from us. He and his family knows her, and he ( Aaron ) is involved in school as well as I am, where our kids go to school together here in the sticks. Though he is a transplant, he's been here several years now and the locals respect his honesty, and love of country.

http://aarontippin.musiccitynetworks.com/index.htm?inc=5&news_id=14445


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hja0XND8Ms


Great song!


Noon could be a JEALOUS woman. That would explain the hatred for Palin. Seems like Palin is renting alot of space in her/his brain.
Lets face it guys...Palin is a former beauty queen...has a hunk of a husband and great kids. Not to mention a brain.
Remember hillbilly...was it your momma who told you there are MANY KINDS of smart? That woman was right! Just call an mechanic about your clunker and you'll gain respect pronto! :D

noonereal
10-06-2009, 06:18 PM
Why do you find so much fault with Palin? Do you know her? I bet our neighbor can tell folks more good about her than they'd probly care to believe. He's a good feller and lives on his 500 acre farm up the holler from us. He and his family knows her, and he ( Aaron ) is involved in school as well as I am, where our kids go to school together here in the sticks. Though he is a transplant, he's been here several years now and the locals respect his honesty, and love of country.

http://aarontippin.musiccitynetworks.com/index.htm?inc=5&news_id=14445


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hja0XND8Ms

If you "You've Got To Stand For Something" and it is stupidity, I don't respect you.
Tell Sarah I said so.

Twodogs
10-06-2009, 06:24 PM
Oh my, noony is melting down. Maybe it's because of the talk of the world switching the oil market from dollars. I guess it could be because Acorn is busted, or the great one got laughed of the world stage, or the czars are in question even from Dems. Hmmm, no telling I guess.:p

Charles
10-06-2009, 06:42 PM
I can understand why people may not like Palin, or disagree with her views, but I'll never understand Palinphobia.

Personally, i suspect that it is driven by the fear that the great unwashed may unite behind her and elect her POTUS.

Personally, I don't see that happening. But she will be a player, simply because she is able to bring a voting block that is far too large to ignore.

Chas

JJIII
10-06-2009, 06:59 PM
I'm beggining to think that "noonereal" is really a clue to who he/she is in reality. Could it be that someone has been rattling our cages all along? I don't in any way mean to suggest trolling, but someone being provocative enough to bring out thoughts and arguments for the sake of earnest discussion? If so, well done. If not, then it's been fun none the less. I can't recall anyone aggravating me (in a useful way) anymore than this person has. A salute to you, No-one! :)

Charles
10-06-2009, 07:19 PM
I'm beggining to think that "noonereal" is really a clue to who he/she is in reality. Could it be that someone has been rattling our cages all along? I don't in any way mean to suggest trolling, but someone being provocative enough to bring out thoughts and arguments for the sake of earnest discussion? If so, well done. If not, then it's been fun none the less. I can't recall anyone aggravating me (in a useful way) anymore than this person has. A salute to you, No-one! :)

Allow me to step up for Noon.

He is no troll, by any means. I've been in personal contact with him, and, IMHO, he is a salt of the earth kind of guy.

Hell, I wish he were my neighbor. I doubt that he would steal a skilsaw out of my van while I was helping him air up a flat tire in the rain.

But Noon, old buddy, you could say that you disagreed with Palin's policies, doubted that she had the intelligence and/or experience to be on the national stage, and let it go at that. I think that you have been unduly harsh towards her at times.

But this may be a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

Chas

JJIII
10-06-2009, 08:13 PM
"He is no troll, by any means."

I don't think he is either. I hope there is no misunderstanding about that.

Charles
10-06-2009, 08:26 PM
"He is no troll, by any means."

I don't think he is either. I hope there is no misunderstanding about that.

Yeah, but don't tell Noon...he'll get the big head!!!!

Chas

Sandy G
10-06-2009, 08:42 PM
Yeah, if we quit pickin' at him...He'll think we don't love him any more ! (grin)

JJIII
10-07-2009, 06:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U1xkbZ4Ns8


Noon, come on out! :D

merrylander
10-07-2009, 07:13 AM
There is something here that I just plain don't understand. Why all the linking to Wiki, youtube, etc. are y'all afraid to present your own arguments?

JJIII
10-07-2009, 12:08 PM
There is no argument in my last youtube link. It was merely my humble attempt to inject a little humour into the thread.

Twodogs
10-07-2009, 05:17 PM
There is no argument in my last youtube link. It was merely my humble attempt to inject a little humour into the thread.

Yep, I got that. Humor is a good thing, especially these days. It does seem like there has been an awfully lot of linking of facts and news these days though. I think we're all getting lazy.:p

JJIII
10-07-2009, 07:03 PM
With typing skills like mine, anything already printed is a boon to me! :D

painter
10-07-2009, 09:11 PM
With typing skills like mine, anything already printed is a boon to me! :D



IMHO giving credit to the information you agree with is just being honest. Anybody can copy and post info...taking credit for being their opinion. I saw the dressing down on one site where the posters caught one newbie doing just that. It doesn't matter to me. We all form our own opinions from articles and conversations. Oh yeah...TV also. :)

JJIII
10-08-2009, 05:30 AM
IMHO giving credit to the information you agree with is just being honest. Anybody can copy and post info...taking credit for being their opinion. I saw the dressing down on one site where the posters caught one newbie doing just that. It doesn't matter to me. We all form our own opinions from articles and conversations. Oh yeah...TV also. :)

Point taken. :)

noonereal
10-08-2009, 08:56 AM
Palinphobia.



I don't know that I would refer to it that way but I do know what you mean.

Try to understand from my personal vantage point.

Here is a women who represents the opposite of everything I have worked so hard to teach my child and here she is being elevated to the position of world leader.

Now my kid sees her on TV at the republican national convention with a new born, a knocked up daughter and is aware of her lack of "smarts."

So of course my daughter is confused and I have to go and explain why she needs to retain her goals and values even if others don't.

The women was as good as an advertisement for teen drugs, sex and screw school.

She needs to be a permanent guest on Jerry Springer and apologize to the youth of his country for who she is.

noonereal
10-08-2009, 09:03 AM
"giving credit to the information you agree with is just being honest. Anybody can copy and post info...taking credit for being their opinion."

Painter is a little weird with this. She has even chastised me (her favorite pastime) for expressing ideas that are "common" to many.

noonereal
10-08-2009, 09:07 AM
Some people consider Obama AMERICA instead of the president and if you disagree with his policies or actions...you are against America...not so.





Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie
Funny, when I did I was called un-American.


MY post...

Disagreement is guaranteed in a free Republic. Thank God for that.

The president is not America. He was elected and has his advisers to help him set forth his agenda's. We pay the salaries of all the Reps in DC. They work for US. Try telling your boss that...and you're in trouble...heh heh See the diff.
But the only opinion some people will accept is their own.
__________________
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. M.T.



Thank you for the clarification. Now it makes sense to me. :)

(my bad I should have read back)

painter
10-08-2009, 04:30 PM
"giving credit to the information you agree with is just being honest. Anybody can copy and post info...taking credit for being their opinion."

Painter is a little weird with this. She has even chastised me (her favorite pastime) for expressing ideas that are "common" to many.



I'm glad I raised MY kids to respect others and their opinions.
But...I also raised them in a church with a belief in God.
God loves you when noone else seems to.

noonereal
10-08-2009, 09:46 PM
I'm glad I raised MY kids to respect others and their opinions.
But...I also raised them in a church with a belief in God.
God loves you when noone else seems to.

I admit I did not raise my kids to believe in God (although I threw it out there for them to consider) but I did raise them to be socially responsible.
Seems like we have nothing in common.