The Detroit Wall

[BlueStreak]

http://www.npr.org/2012/09/11/160768981/racial-regional-divide-still-haunt-detroits-progress

Hmmmm......It doesn't look like the wall in that guys video. The one he showed had broken glass embedded in the cap, so that anyone attempting to climb over would get cut. It was also a bit taller. Maybe that was just a short section of the same wall?

But, there is a wall nonetheless.

Another pair of interesting articles;

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/eleanor-riots/

http://imagine2050.newcomm.org/2010/06/22/detroit-riots-tell-of-america%E2%80%99s-history-of-racism/

Dave

[BlueStreak]

I like this quote from one of the above articles;

“I love America more than any other country in the world and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually.”-----Author and Activist James Baldwin

Dave

[bobabode]

No surprise there. Detroit was as bad as some southern states in how they dealt with race relations.
Even in California we had covenants in real property deeds that prohibited the transfer to people of color.

[Dondilion]

If Bedford-Stuyvesant in Brooklyn can come back from the riots in the sixties I have some hope for Detroit.

[ebacon]

If Bedford-Stuyvesant in Brooklyn can come back from the riots in the sixties I have some hope for Detroit.

The financial dynamics in Detroit are different. Recall that with the change in banking and saving structure during 1984-1999 all of the saved money went to NYC investment firms. Detroit workers have much less money now than they did at the turn of the century. As such they are less able to do, well, anything.

We are in a real pickle over here. Hopefully someone is getting a good laugh.

[bobabode]

The financial dynamics in Detroit are different. Recall that with the change in banking and saving structure during 1984-1999 all of the saved money went to NYC investment firms. Detroit workers have much less money now than they did at the turn of the century. As such they are less able to do, well, anything.

We are in a real pickle over here. Hopefully someone is getting a good laugh.

I really hope not, Ed. That would be akin to laughingly beating a rape victim for getting raped, imo.

[BlueStreak]

The financial dynamics in Detroit are different. Recall that with the change in banking and saving structure during 1984-1999 all of the saved money went to NYC investment firms. Detroit workers have much less money now than they did at the turn of the century. As such they are less able to do, well, anything.

We are in a real pickle over here. Hopefully someone is getting a good laugh.

Right. I recall seeing a figure of >20% decline in wage levels in the Detroit Metro area since 2000. Kinda makes the argument that high wages are what keeps the city down look antiquated, doesn't it?

Dave

[ebacon]

Detroit auto workers were never overpaid. They just bargained for something in the neighborhood of 1/10 of what their CEOs made. Apparently that was so************************m. Grrr.

Now they make 1/100 of what their CEOs make or some shit like that. And the workers are greedy?

There is a game afoot. No doubt about it. Someone is trying to make the workers go ballistic. That is the communist strategy.

[BlueStreak]

Here in the Old Dominion, the blacks often refer to something called the "Plantation Mentality". It basically means someone has been so beaten down they will stoop to anything just to keep a job. Snitch, backstab, brown-nose, scab, "bow and scrape"....put up with whatever BS the boss dishes out just to stay in his good graces, basically.

This used to be a derogatory term blacks used to describe each other. But, now it has new meaning and it includes working class whites as well. As a good friend of mine recently said, "The people at the top are turnin' the whole country into a plantation. No more unions, no more regulation, no more worker protection, none of that shit. Just us, the bossman and the leash that connects us. Leave this job and go to that one---same shit. Move to another city, state? Don't matter. Same shit. North, South, East, West....same shit."

Dave

[bobabode]

Hey bossman, y'all wants some chocolate cream pie? Wait'll you hear what the secret ingredient is...:rolleyes: Now, where did you wants all these commodes?;)

[Wasillaguy]

You can't hardly find any regulations anymore. Rich folks done made 'em all extinct.

[piece-itpete]

Yeah we don't have ANY worker protection here, it's just like the 1800s :rolleyes:

Pete

[piece-itpete]

Btw racism was the norm in the north during the migration for sure.

Daley in Chicago moved planned highways to form borders for example.

Pete

[BlueStreak]

Yeah we don't have ANY worker protection here, it's just like the 1800s :rolleyes:

Pete

Yeah, the 1800s. The "Good ol' Days that folks of a certain ideology believe were SOOOO MUCH better than today and long to take us back to..........

That is the point you nippleheads. Not where we are, but where YOU want to take us.:rolleyes:

Dave

[bobabode]

Btw racism was the norm in the north during the migration for sure.

Daley in Chicago moved planned highways to form borders for example.

Pete

Yeh, Daley was such a paragon of virtue....:rolleyes:

[bobabode]

You can't hardly find any regulations anymore. Rich folks done made 'em all extinct.

Yeah we don't have ANY worker protection here, it's just like the 1800s :rolleyes:

Pete

Oh great, now we have Frick and Frack buggerin' each other...:D

[finnbow]

Yeah we don't have ANY worker protection here, it's just like the 1800s :rolleyes:

Pete

What we have is a highly dysfunctional regulatory structure put in place by Congress and signed into law by Nixon in the OSH Act of 1970. The resulting OSHA standards are as f*cked up as OSHA enforcement is feckless.

[bobabode]

Didn't they lay off most of the OSHA inspectors? Just like the mine safety inspectors?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_City_(2004_film) Loved this film.

[piece-itpete]

It should be completely reworked and reformed but I'm doubtful that's even possible now.

Bob, ever read Roykos' 'Boss'? A hoot!

Pete

[bobabode]

It should be completely reworked and reformed but I'm doubtful that's even possible now.

Bob, ever read Roykos' 'Boss'? A hoot!

Pete

You've been drinking with Slats Grobnik?:rolleyes:

[whell]

Who knows if this is truly accurate or not - I don't think it is - but from the article:

In the 1940s, this part of Detroit was largely African-American, Horner says. In those days, the city was growing, and white residents sought to build houses next to black neighborhoods like this one. But first, developers needed to get financing — usually secured by the Federal Housing Administration.

"And the developer who wanted to develop in this area was told no by the FHA," Horner says. "Because it was considered to be too close to an African-American neighborhood. And so the solution that the developer came up with was to build a 6-foot-high wall that runs for about three long city blocks."

If this is true, then the FHA of the 1940's - the Roosevelt and Truman FHA - were promoting racial segragation of urban neighborhoods. Interesting.

[finnbow]

Who knows if this is truly accurate or not - I don't think it is - but from the article:

In the 1940s, this part of Detroit was largely African-American, Horner says. In those days, the city was growing, and white residents sought to build houses next to black neighborhoods like this one. But first, developers needed to get financing — usually secured by the Federal Housing Administration.

"And the developer who wanted to develop in this area was told no by the FHA," Horner says. "Because it was considered to be too close to an African-American neighborhood. And so the solution that the developer came up with was to build a 6-foot-high wall that runs for about three long city blocks."

If this is true, then the FHA of the 1940's - the Roosevelt and Truman FHA - were promoting racial segragation of urban neighborhoods. Interesting.

The history of "blockbusting" by the real estate industry is another facet to this type of story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockbusting

[piece-itpete]

Is was the great and mighty Wilson who re-segregated the White House, and of course FDRs admin turned the Jewish refugees away.

Truman deseg'd the armed services.

You've been drinking with Slats Grobnik?:rolleyes:

Every day :D

Pete

[BlueStreak]

The history of "blockbusting" by the real estate industry is another facet to this type of story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockbusting

Yep. Who among us doesn't remember the "white flight" of the 1950s through the 1970s?:rolleyes: Racism, used to manipulate frightened, stupid sheeple into abandoning their neighborhoods.......To serve what purpose? Greed, of course.:rolleyes:

Nice, isn't it?

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Is was the great and mighty Wilson who re-segregated the White House, and of course FDRs admin turned the Jewish refugees away.

Truman deseg'd the armed services.



Every day :D

Pete

All true, Pete. And, then came 1964, the Civil Rights legislation, Paul Weyrich, Richard Nixon and the Southern Strategy, devised to manipulate frightened, stupid, racist people into voting Republican. For what purpose? Politics and power, of course.

Dave

[piece-itpete]

The very same Civil Rights bill that the GOP got passed? ;)

That finished Lincolns legacy? :p

Don't worry, the minorities will still vote for you'alls no matter how many Dem politicos are in jail ;)

Smilie abuse?

Pete

[BlueStreak]

Yeah, yeah.....we've all observed that tactic too. A few Republicans cross the line and help vote something in and all of the sudden it was the GOP that made it all happen.

Whatever, man.

Q. Where did the bulk of the racist Dixiecrats go in the late 60s?

A. To a friendlier home.;)

Dave

[bobabode]

The very same Civil Rights bill that the GOP got passed? ;)

That finished Lincolns legacy? :p

Don't worry, the minorities will still vote for you'alls no matter how many Dem politicos are in jail ;)

Smilie abuse?

Pete

Otherwise known as self abuse...;)