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bobabode
01-02-2014, 08:31 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/30/train-derailment_n_4520730.html

Ka-boom! :(

http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/12/31/ap718282325711_wide-6e3a602c1f0f1b547890d15014de1268adb29e40-s6-c30.jpg

photo NPR

finnbow
01-02-2014, 10:21 PM
Smokin'.

CarlV
01-02-2014, 10:35 PM
Not bad for a train car or cars it looks to be. They said a broken axle started it IIRC.



Carl

merrylander
01-03-2014, 06:02 AM
Pipelines anyone?

JJIII
01-03-2014, 06:19 AM
I saw a news crawl on one of the TV channels last night that said the Feds had determined the the crude oil being carried was flammable. Imagine that!:eek:

piece-itpete
01-03-2014, 09:18 AM
Thank goodness the Feds sorted that out :)

Pete

icenine
01-03-2014, 10:24 AM
Everyone notice how gas is cheap now? It is because we are producing it now...these explosions are more common since American trains are transporting much more crude oil from North Dakota,etc.

Wow President Obama has made the price of gas go down!

icenine
01-03-2014, 10:27 AM
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-oil-train-20140103,0,2009502.story#axzz2pLyXl7gz


Makes an interesting point that because of no continental pipeline there may be a resultant increase in train explosions.

piece-itpete
01-03-2014, 10:38 AM
I've lived near a very busy high speed rail for many years. I've been considering putting together a little emergency kit like masks, disposable suits etc.

Pete

mpholland
01-03-2014, 10:55 AM
Pipelines anyone?

I agree. Now just try to get any kind of pipeline approved in the "green" pacific states. It takes an act of congress just to build a house in the Columbia River gorge anymore because someone might see it from the river.

MrPots
01-03-2014, 04:25 PM
I saw a news crawl on one of the TV channels last night that said the Feds had determined the the crude oil being carried was flammable. Imagine that!:eek:

This is why the government is so important, how would we have know this otherwise?

MrPots
01-03-2014, 04:27 PM
My issue with pipelines are property rights. The private lands that would have to be confiscated to build it.

finnbow
01-03-2014, 05:10 PM
My issue with pipelines are property rights. The private lands that would have to be confiscated to build it.

As was the case with the rails carrying those tankers. As would be the case if we chose to truck it on highways or fly it in planes.

MrPots
01-06-2014, 01:39 PM
So where does it stop? Any time someone with money wants a piece of someone else's property for one reason or another he can just take it by petitioning the local government with enough green.

finnbow
01-06-2014, 01:50 PM
So where does it stop? Any time someone with money wants a piece of someone else's property for one reason or another he can just take it by petitioning the local government with enough green.

The constitution specifically addresses this issue. Also, the Supreme Court ruled on a famous case in which the state wanted to take land from one private party to give to another in support of a project that would economically benefit the public. The SCOTUS sided with the state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v._City_of_New_London

The issue is whether there's a viable public need for the property in question.

MrPots
01-06-2014, 02:00 PM
Even if it's simply rows of apartment building.

Private property isn't really. If someone with more money comes along and can convince the local regulator with reason or cash that they want your property, it's theirs, no matter how many decades it's been in your family. In most states you're simply renting the property from that entity called the state or the city anyway.

merrylander
01-06-2014, 02:38 PM
At least the Aussies are honest, there you 'rent' your land from the government, on a long term lease.

piece-itpete
01-06-2014, 02:42 PM
Private ownership is dead.

Pete

donquixote99
01-06-2014, 03:12 PM
I agree. Now just try to get any kind of pipeline approved in the "green" pacific states. It takes an act of congress just to build a house in the Columbia River gorge anymore because someone might see it from the river.

As if any house could be seen through the smog.

Charles
01-06-2014, 06:30 PM
At least the Aussies are honest, there you 'rent' your land from the government, on a long term lease.

Don't pay your property taxes for three years and you'll find out damn quick who owns your real estate.

Chas

MrPots
01-07-2014, 01:20 PM
At least the Aussies are honest, there you 'rent' your land from the government, on a long term lease.

That's what we do too, except it's a yearly lease on the land and building.

It's a mystery why they bother issuing titles.....

They used to collect rent on the contents of the property too, furniture and appliances and such but quite that a few years back.