The Klan, Black Panthers, Neo-Nazis et al....

[BlueStreak]

What do you say;

Are they just concerned citizens, hate groups, or domestic terrorists?

I vote for "domestic terrorists".

Dave

[merrylander]

Agreed

[JJIII]

Hate groups.

[Charles]

Well, I've a few choice words to describe them, but decorum prohibits me from listing them here (like anybody's gonna buy that excuse from me).

Chas

[d-ray657]

Well, I've a few choice words to describe them, but decorum prohibits me from listing them here (like anybody's gonna buy that excuse from me).

Chas

Oh, yes indeed, you are a Southern Gentleman.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Charles]

Oh, yes indeed, you are a Southern Gentleman.

Regards,

D-Ray

Indeed. Polite to a fault.

Thank you, my friend,

Chas

[HatchetJack]

Hell, they are all a bunch of losers. I have lived in Georgia all my life and proud
to say I never met one or have been asked to join. Come to think of it I have
never seen one. I did walk into a waffle house once after a morning of hunting
with one of our hunt club members who is black and the place was full of skin
heads looking all judas priest with tatoos and skanky looking girls. He thinks
the only thing that saved him is because he was with me and I was wearing
army surplus camo. We got some GTH looks that day. I read later they were
returning from a Rally/concert somewhere.

[d-ray657]

You know, I always thought Judas Priest sucked, but I never made the skin-head connection. I used to think rock and rollers must be on the left, but then, there's Ted Nugent. Dang, Jack. First, it was rock and roll, and now, you guys are gonna make me start questioning some of my pre-conceptions about southerners. Still think you're wrong about lobbyists.:cool:

Then to really put another spin on your experience, do you think it's possible that in your hunting clothes, you were getting the GTH looks because they had you stereotyped as a redneck?

In any event, maybe a good belated resolution for me is to try to examine my perceptions for stereotypes. I'm not quite ready to give up my impression of greedy corporate bankers though. You know all of those small loan companies are crooked too.:rolleyes:

Regards,

D-ray

[Sandy G]

Buncha mouth-breathin' jerkov losers... I LOVED the send-up of the Klan in "The Blues Brothers"...They occupy the absolute lowest strata of society. They are too gawdam stoopid to even realise how gawdam stoopid they are....The only thing they have that is of any value at all is their hate, & IT'S worth what they paid for it...Nothin'.

[Writewing]

Judas Priest's lead singer is Homosexual so there goes that arguement.
To me they are nothing but a small number of misguided fools in unorganizied ineffective small groups peppered around around country.

[d-ray657]

Judas Priest's lead singer is Homosexual so there goes that arguement.


Not as much an argument as a comment on perceptions. My perception has always been that they produce lousy music.

Regards,

D-Ray

[d-ray657]

Buncha mouth-breathin' jerkov losers... I LOVED the send-up of the Klan in "The Blues Brothers"...They occupy the absolute lowest strata of society. They are too gawdam stoopid to even realise how gawdam stoopid they are....The only thing they have that is of any value at all is their hate, & IT'S worth what they paid for it...Nothin'.

One of the only musicals that I have really enjoyed. Get them doggies rollin . . .

Regards,

D-Ray

[Grumpy]

Judas Priest's lead singer is Homosexual so there goes that arguement.
To me they are nothing but a small number of misguided fools in unorganizied ineffective small groups peppered around around country.


I would not be so quick to underestimate them. Hatred knows no bounds and only breeds more hatred.

[Boreas]

Are they just concerned citizens, hate groups, or domestic terrorists?

I don't think there's any doubt that they're all domestic terrorists.

John

[piece-itpete]

IF they acted they would indeed be domestic terrorists. If they're just talking they're asshole haters.

Rohm believed gay men made perfect soldiers.

Pete

[merrylander]

Apart from their orientation they should be no different than any other soldier. Considering the crap they have to put up with why people believe someone would voluntarily be gay beats the heck out of me.:confused:

[piece-itpete]

Apart from their orientation they should be no different than any other soldier. Considering the crap they have to put up with why people believe someone would voluntarily be gay beats the heck out of me.:confused:

I never read his statements, only references in other books. Something about not being corrupted by weak womenfolk.

I agree with your last sentence.

Pete

[merrylander]

Pete he must have been looking for a fight - weak womenfolk? - does he not know the female is deadlier than the male.

[piece-itpete]

Nope, that's why he was a Nazi - thick.

We know better :)

Pete

[Charles]

Pete he must have been looking for a fight - weak womenfolk? - does he not know the female is deadlier than the male.

They for sure can hold a grudge longer.

Chas

[d-ray657]

They for sure can hold a grudge longer.

Chas

A wise man knows when to lose an argument with a woman.

Regards,

D-ray

[BlueStreak]

IF they acted they would indeed be domestic terrorists. If they're just talking they're asshole haters.

Rohm believed gay men made perfect soldiers.

Pete

Yes, but eventually, didn't Hitler have Rohm beaten to death for his homosexuality?
Another one that believed gays made better soldiers was Alexander.

Dave

[BlueStreak]

IF they acted they would indeed be domestic terrorists. If they're just talking they're asshole haters.

Rohm believed gay men made perfect soldiers.

Pete

Also, I believe there are many cases to be cited where each one of these groups has acted out violently. This is why I say "domestic terrorists".

Dave

[piece-itpete]

Nah, Hilter used it as an excuse to put a problematic Rohm out of the way. He didn't care one way or the other but the brownshirts had become a liabilty to him so they had to go goodbye.

Pete

[Sandy G]

More than any other Nazi, I always thought Rohm was the scariest looking, most personification of evil. Even more than Schickelgruber hisself, whom I always thought looked rather like a rather insipid poppinjay. The whole Hitler "thing" might have collapsed if any of the Germans had a sense of humor & had laughed at him in the early days instead of blindly following him to doomsday. But Rohm had that chilling "look" in his eyes. Goebbels was pretty creepy, too, as was Himmler. Fat Hermann was a junkie buffoon. Speer looked to be a quasi-intellectual who got caught up in something that was more evil than he could have imagined.

[d-ray657]

More than any other Nazi, I always thought Rohm was the scariest looking, most personification of evil. Even more than Schickelgruber hisself, whom I always thought looked rather like a rather insipid poppinjay. The whole Hitler "thing" might have collapsed if any of the Germans had a sense of humor & had laughed at him in the early days instead of blindly following him to doomsday. But Rohm had that chilling "look" in his eyes. Goebbels was pretty creepy, too, as was Himmler. Fat Hermann was a junkie buffoon. Speer looked to be a quasi-intellectual who got caught up in something that was more evil than he could have imagined.

So you're a history buff on top of you duties as moniker distributor?

Regards,

D-Ray

[piece-itpete]

I read Herr Speers book a while back. I see why they didn't kill him, we wouldn't have had his book.

Online I've met otherwise normal folks who thought highly of him and Rommel (not you Sandy :) ). But as Speer puts it, 'we knew'.

Pete

[noonereal]

What do you say;

Are they just concerned citizens, hate groups, or domestic terrorists?

I vote for "domestic terrorists".

Dave

They are folks who do not fit into the "majority" and are bitter.
This bitterness is given comfort by finding others who are also outcasts.

They are simply blaming others for their lack of social acceptance.

No different than a street gang.

Yes there are both a hate group and domestic terrorists.

[Boreas]

You know, I've been thinking about this. I'm old enough to have been politically aware during the years that the Black Panther Party existed and, although they were certainly a militant organization, I can't think of a single solitary instance of terrorism perpetrated by them. Anyone want to correct that?

John

[Sandy G]

So you're a history buff on top of you duties as moniker distributor?

Regards,

D-Ray

Yep. "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it".

[d-ray657]

Yep. "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it".

I have a recommendation for you if you have time to tackle about 1300 pages. For over a thousand pages, it really is a quick read. It's by William Manchester, called The Glory and the Dream. It's a narrative history of the US from 1932 to 1972. One of my favorite summer reads when I was in college.

Regards,

D-ray

[rickr15]

I can't think of a single solitary instance of terrorism perpetrated by them. anyone want to correct that?


The only thing I remember violence wise with the black panthers was the Huey Newton thing. I think the feds made them out to be more of than they really were since they espoused communist/socialist beliefs.

I think some citys have actually passed legislation declaring the KKK to be a terrorist orginization.

Me personally I'm against hate groups in any form but its always going to be out there.

[Boreas]

The only thing I remember violence wise with the black panthers was the Huey Newton thing.

The Huey Newton thing was an altercation between Newton and two Oakland cops who had pulled him over for a bogus traffic violation.

I think the feds made them out to be more of than they really were since they espoused communist/socialist beliefs.

Research COINTELPRO. The FBI infiltrated the Panthers with agents provocateurs who tried to influence them to commit acts of terror, mostly against black street gangs or rival black nationalist groups. It didn't work.

I think some citys have actually passed legislation declaring the KKK to be a terrorist orginization.

There's no doubt that they are. Lynchings, cross burnings, bombings and the like are "classic" examples of terror tactics.

John

[Sandy G]

Seems like I remember some bombings back in the crazee daze of the late '60s-early '70s that the Panthers were "involved" in. They were kinda like wiseguys-Pretty much common knowlege they had a hand in a number of things, but nobody could ever prove anything...

[Charles]

Seems like I remember some bombings back in the crazee daze of the late '60s-early '70s that the Panthers were "involved" in. They were kinda like wiseguys-Pretty much common knowlege they had a hand in a number of things, but nobody could ever prove anything...

Methinks you are correct, sir.

Chas

[Sandy G]

Dammit, I ain't a "Sir"....I'm an enlisted man...I WORK for my livin'....(grin)

[Boreas]

Seems like I remember some bombings back in the crazee daze of the late '60s-early '70s that the Panthers were "involved" in. They were kinda like wiseguys-Pretty much common knowlege they had a hand in a number of things, but nobody could ever prove anything...

Nope.

John