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Writewing
01-13-2010, 01:47 PM
Rewind just several weeks the seat held by Ted was a no brainer, pick a body to fill it and enjoy the status quo. Polls were showing a strong lead for the Democratic Martha Coakley and a challenger by the name of Scott Brown who looked to be the usual candidate that will lose.
But a funny thing happened, polls started to tighten even is Brown was openly and proudly touting his intent to be vote 41 in the all important healthcare Bill looming overhead. His poll number grew and grew and now is dead even closing a 9 point gap in little over a week. Coakley bolts for Washington for a fund raiser loaded with lobby from the Insurance industry and launched a negative ad directed at Brown, Brown staying positive even taking use of JFK footage about Taxes.
It may very well turn out the unthinkable will happen, that the Lions seat will be lost to a Conservative with a potential to thwart off the massive health overhaul and add a blocker to the majority vote. Most in the know could see this was going to happen in Nove 2010 but many now understand it could very well happen in 6 days......Hang on to your Lederhosen kids as its gonna be a fun ride.
It would be safe to say even if the Conservative cant squeak this one out that there is big trouble on the horizon for the left.

Boreas
01-13-2010, 01:57 PM
People forget that Massachusetts has elected two Republican governors lately, William Weld and Mitt Romney. Massachusetts is not Boston. Teddy getting elected has at least as much to do with who he was as a person and who his brothers were as it does with his party affiliation.

It's a long time until June. My guess is Coakley will win by a narrow margin, 3 - 5%. [EDIT] OOPS! Now, why did I think it was June?

(Instead of cutting and pasting, why not just provide us with links?)

John

merrylander
01-13-2010, 02:00 PM
And just as the GOP would like government will grind to a halt like it did for the past 12 years.

Writewing
01-13-2010, 02:04 PM
Instead of cutting and pasting, why not just provide us with links?

John

Those are my thoughts, do your own search. I didnt cut and paste a single line of that and your constant bickering directed at me is getting boring. I talk about politics, you talk about ME....keep making it personal if that makes your life better...but I doubt it will as your obviously mssing something.

Boreas
01-13-2010, 02:09 PM
Those are my thoughts, do your own search. I didnt cut and paste a single line of that and your constant bickering directed at me is getting boring. I talk about politics, you talk about ME....keep making it personal if that makes your life better...but I doubt it will as your obviously mssing something.

If you want to talk about politics then answer the questions you've been avoiding.

And forgive me if I remain skeptical about the source of that post. It actually has mostly correct punctuation and capitalization, (as opposed to your post above and everything else by your own hand).

John

Fast_Eddie
01-13-2010, 02:09 PM
I believe there is some dubious polling in that race. Other polls show Coakley with a huge lead.

Boreas
01-13-2010, 02:14 PM
I believe there is some dubious polling in that race. Other polls show Coakley with a huge lead.

Probably a Rasmussen poll.

John

Sandy G
01-13-2010, 02:14 PM
Nah. No way. The Repubes are whistlin' in the dark...

Writewing
01-13-2010, 02:15 PM
If you want to talk about politics then answer the questions you've been avoiding.

And forgive me if I remain skeptical about the source of that post. It actually has mostly correct punctuation and capitalization, (as opposed to your post above and everything else by your own hand).

John

You didnt ask me a question, infact you deleted your drive by attacking that accused me of cut and paste.

Writewing
01-13-2010, 02:21 PM
I see some polls that do infact show Coakley in the lead but many others that show a virutal tie within the margin of error. As for Rasmussen I dont see what there is to dislike about them, the sample folks actually likely to vote where other polls do generic samples so if anything Rasmussen is of real importance. If you make 1000 calls and only 200 will vote the poll isnt much good. Rasmussen pretty much nailed the last 2 election cycles.

Boreas
01-13-2010, 02:46 PM
You didnt ask me a question, infact you deleted your drive by attacking that accused me of cut and paste.

I've asked you several. So has Noone. You haven't attempted to answer even one. I've tried to engage you to learn where you're coming from and what thoughts there might be behind some of your statements but when I do I'm meet either by silence or by irrelevant insults.

John

Boreas
01-13-2010, 02:51 PM
I see some polls that do infact show Coakley in the lead but many others that show a virutal tie within the margin of error. As for Rasmussen I dont see what there is to dislike about them, the sample folks actually likely to vote where other polls do generic samples so if anything Rasmussen is of real importance. If you make 1000 calls and only 200 will vote the poll isnt much good. Rasmussen pretty much nailed the last 2 election cycles.

Rasmussen himself is a Republican operative who has worked for a number of campaigns - and then denies it in his personal bio. His polling numbers always come out with the R's polling better than they do in any other major polling organization.

John

Writewing
01-13-2010, 03:55 PM
There si nothing wrong with doing a Poll and having your own thoughts ideas and principles, there are plenty of left leaning Polls out there aswell.

merrylander
01-14-2010, 07:48 AM
WW as someone who has written questions for polls I guarantee you that I could write a poll that would generate whatever result I wish to obtain. Let's wait until the fat lady sings.

Writewing
01-14-2010, 10:29 PM
Wont be long now till we see what happens.

Twodogs
01-16-2010, 07:51 PM
I heard about a totally electronic poll last week that has him up by 14 points. Supposedly the electronic polls are more accurate because people tend to lie to human pollsters because they are scared of what the pollster will think. Sounds silly, but I could see it with some folks. Would it be a wonderful irony, or poetic justice that it ends up being Teddy's seat that kills this health care abomination.:p

d-ray657
01-16-2010, 07:57 PM
I heard about a totally electronic poll last week that has him up by 14 points. Supposedly the electronic polls are more accurate because people tend to lie to human pollsters because they are scared of what the pollster will think. Sounds silly, but I could see it with some folks. Would it be a wonderful irony, or poetic justice that it ends up being Teddy's seat that kills this health care abomination.:p

Nice to see you back TD . . . But you're wrong. The irony I see is the GOP dreaming of getting the 41% necessary to insure that nothing gets done, and calling that victory.

Regards,

D-Ray

Sandy G
01-16-2010, 08:22 PM
Nothing will change. The GOP WON'T take that seat. Ain't gonna happen. Rest easy, Dems, your seat & supermajority in the Senate are safe as a babe in his mother's arms.

Fast_Eddie
01-16-2010, 08:39 PM
Nothing will change. The GOP WON'T take that seat. Ain't gonna happen. Rest easy, Dems, your seat & supermajority in the Senate are safe as a babe in his mother's arms.

I tend to think this is probably the case. Special elections are notoriously difficult to poll, and turn out is very poor. The Democrats are a machine in Mass. and they're a little nervous about this one. They'll have the machine in full force and will get the vote out.

But you never know. It's quite surprising that it's even close. So who knows?

d-ray657
01-16-2010, 08:42 PM
Nothing will change. The GOP WON'T take that seat. Ain't gonna happen. Rest easy, Dems, your seat & supermajority in the Senate are safe as a babe in his mother's arms.

As long as the mother's not Brittany Spears.

Regards,

D-Ray

BlueStreak
01-16-2010, 08:45 PM
I heard about a totally electronic poll last week that has him up by 14 points. Supposedly the electronic polls are more accurate because people tend to lie to human pollsters because they are scared of what the pollster will think. Sounds silly, but I could see it with some folks. Would it be a wonderful irony, or poetic justice that it ends up being Teddy's seat that kills this health care abomination.:p

Welcome back, Bro. Missed ya.

Dave

noonereal
01-16-2010, 09:09 PM
I heard about a totally electronic poll last week that has him up by 14 points. Supposedly the electronic polls are more accurate because people tend to lie to human pollsters because they are scared of what the pollster will think. Sounds silly, but I could see it with some folks. Would it be a wonderful irony, or poetic justice that it ends up being Teddy's seat that kills this health care abomination.:p

Some/thing needs to kill this and abomination is a good description.

Good to see you again.:)

Grumpy
01-16-2010, 09:26 PM
I don't poll since the gov gives me the shaft so much. Sore nuff all ready..

merrylander
01-17-2010, 07:27 AM
Well it seems that in the best Jack System tradition Brown will vote against health care reform not because he is against it but "MA already has healthcare coverage for everybody so why should we pay for healtcare for Texas".

Understandable to an extent because TX has the most unisured of any state in the union however it could also be taken as Dog-Manger-Woof.

Boreas
01-17-2010, 01:43 PM
This goes back to a panel discussion at the time of the Republican National Convention where Sarah Palin was chosen as Vee Pee candidate. The discussion turned to the topic of Bristol Palin. Cosmo centerfold Scott Brown had this to say:

Brown: "I mean, quite frankly, Barack's mom had him when, when, what, she was 18 years old?"

Other Guest: "And married."

Brown: "Mmmm, uh, (chuckle) well, I don't know about that, (chuckle) but, more importantly, the, uh, the fact that she had him at 18 years old..."

So, Brown thinks Obama may well be a bastard? Nice!

This is a reflection of the more extreme Birther position that not only was Obama not born in the US but that his parents never married.

How can anyone take these people seriously?

John

noonereal
01-17-2010, 02:07 PM
Brown: "Mmmm, uh, (chuckle) well, I don't know about that, (chuckle) but, more importantly, the, uh, the fact that she had him at 18 years old..."



What is the point?
:confused:

merrylander
01-17-2010, 02:16 PM
What is the point?
:confused:

That Brown is a mental defective?:rolleyes:

Boreas
01-17-2010, 02:21 PM
What is the point?
:confused:

I got that dialogue from a 14 second video clip. It's pretty out of context so I tried to find a longer version but I couldn't.

It's just that the smirky, chuckly "I don't know about that" was entirely gratuitous and its intent was obvious, especially since it's part of the Birther mythology.

These guys truly have no shame.

John

Fast_Eddie
01-17-2010, 06:36 PM
If it were a Republican they would celebrate how they overcame the disadvantages of being born to a teen age mother, like Palin's litter.

Boreas
01-18-2010, 12:41 PM
Here's a thought. Brown/Palin (or Palin/Brown) in 2012. The ex-beauty queen and the ex-centerfold. My God, these wing nuts have no intellect at all!

By the way, I think Cosmo Boy will win. :(

John

Twodogs
01-18-2010, 05:22 PM
I dunno, I think the guy is going to win handily. Guess we'll find out tomorrow.

Writewing
01-18-2010, 05:28 PM
I just hope he can overcome the ACORN 15pt margin of error or fraud, its so hard to tell the difference with the nuts.

Fast_Eddie
01-18-2010, 05:33 PM
I dunno, I think the guy is going to win handily. Guess we'll find out tomorrow.

He certainly could. It would be interesting. Well it's good sport either way! We shall see.

Twodogs
01-18-2010, 06:04 PM
I just hope he can overcome the ACORN 15pt margin of error or fraud, its so hard to tell the difference with the nuts.

Boy, that ain't no shit. I was hoping they would at least change the fricken name after the pimp and prostitute fiasco.:D

Fast_Eddie
01-18-2010, 06:06 PM
Maybe acHOrn?

Writewing
01-18-2010, 06:49 PM
Boy, that ain't no shit. I was hoping they would at least change the fricken name after the pimp and prostitute fiasco.:D

They just learned how to spell ACORN so these things take time:)

BlueStreak
01-18-2010, 06:52 PM
Maybe acHOrn?

Or, APORN?

HatchetJack
01-18-2010, 07:33 PM
All this back room wheeling, dealing and bribing gonna sure enough catch up
with these no good democrats come next election. People are getting ticked
off over it all.

Boreas
01-18-2010, 07:40 PM
All this back room wheeling, dealing and bribing gonna sure enough catch up
with these no good democrats come next election. People are getting ticked
off over it all.

Hey, Jack, could you give us a few "f'rinstances"?

John

HatchetJack
01-18-2010, 07:58 PM
I will tommorow.

Boreas
01-18-2010, 08:10 PM
I will tommorow.

Thanks. I'll be here. :)

John

BlueStreak
01-18-2010, 08:22 PM
All this back room wheeling, dealing and bribing gonna sure enough catch up
with these no good democrats come next election. People are getting ticked
off over it all.


Oh I'm sure there has been some of this. Maybe even a lot of it. But, ya know, I tend to think that it's alway been that way. And when the GOP is back on top, and they will be sooner or later, they'll be doing all of their backroom deals, but it will be okay (For some of us.).

However, let's say for the sake of conversation that it's not okay. So everyone gets PO'ed about the backroom wheeling and dealing. There's a revolution. I gaurantee you within a week, the backroom wheeling and dealing will resume, it'll just be a different cast of charactors doing it.

Technology changes, prices change, the weather changes, but to my mind human nature is a constant.

And I tend to think anyone who doesn't see this has been eating a sizeable load of someones propagandistic garbage.

But, that's just my opinion. And I'm no one.

Dave

d-ray657
01-18-2010, 08:41 PM
Dave,

You are somebody! I'll bet you are even in the phone book.

Regards,

D-Ray

BlueStreak
01-18-2010, 08:48 PM
Thanks, Don. But no, sadly, I am not even in the phonebook.:(

Dave

d-ray657
01-18-2010, 09:03 PM
Thanks, Don. But no, sadly, I am not even in the phonebook.:(

Dave

Well than, I'll bet I could find you on Google!

Regards,

D-Ray

noonereal
01-18-2010, 09:08 PM
I am so popular I had to pay extra to stay out. :D

Sandy G
01-18-2010, 09:26 PM
My phone number is BR-549...Betcha NOBODY gets THAT one....Well, Chas MIGHT...

noonereal
01-18-2010, 09:29 PM
My phone number is BR-549...Betcha NOBODY gets THAT one....Well, Chas MIGHT...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEWyOigSUS4

d-ray657
01-18-2010, 09:32 PM
My phone number is BR-549...Betcha NOBODY gets THAT one....Well, Chas MIGHT...

Don't be so sure of that Junior.

When I met my wife, I was the long-haired hippie kid who sat in the hall waiting to go in the class next to hers. I had also seen her working at the hospital, when she took care of my grandma. Long story short, she later told me that when I asked for her phone number, she almost gave me BR-549.

p.s. But Chas would actually have to be here to get it.:(

Regards,

D-Ray

Writewing
01-18-2010, 10:11 PM
My phone number is BR-549...Betcha NOBODY gets THAT one....Well, Chas MIGHT...

HoooooooowdyyyyyyyyyyyyyyYYYYYYYYY!!

Sandy G
01-18-2010, 10:26 PM
Mumble, mumble...Has'n fras'n dirty ras'n...I oughta knowed better...(grin)

Writewing
01-18-2010, 10:44 PM
Mumble, mumble...Has'n fras'n dirty ras'n...I oughta knowed better...(grin)

I love it!;)

JJIII
01-19-2010, 05:30 AM
Hey Grampaw... what's for dinner?