Huckabee calls for MLK-like passive resistance to gay marriage ruling

[Tom Joad]

What can I say?:rolleyes:

Washington (CNN)Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee urged Christian leaders to channel Martin Luther King, Jr. by resisting the Supreme Court's ruling in favor of same-sex marriage.

Huckabee pointed to King's Letter from Birmingham Jail, in which the civil rights leader advocated non-violent resistance to racism, saying that "an unjust law is no law at all."

more (http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/28/politics/mike-huckabee-gay-marriage-mlk/)

[donquixote99]

If they want to have marches and protests, and be non-violent about it, fine. If they work at the court house and refuse to do their jobs, then they will need to find new jobs.

[Tom Joad]

If they want to have marches and protests, and be non-violent about it, fine. If they work at the court house and refuse to do their jobs, then they will need to find new jobs.

What I find ironic, no that's too mild, make it incredible, is the absurdity of equating a struggle for Civil Rights with a struggle against Civil Rights.

[Pio1980]

It's not Sharia when We do it.

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[d-ray657]

What I find ironic, no that's too mild, make it incredible, is the absurdity of equating a struggle for Civil Rights with a struggle against Civil Rights.

I don't actually believe that Huckabee is an idiot. He understands the difference. That makes it worse.

Regards,

D-Ray

[finnbow]

I don't actually believe that Huckabee is an idiot. He understands the difference. That makes it worse.

Regards,

D-Ray

Maybe. OTOH, conservatives don't do irony. One thing's for sure though - He'd fold like a cheap suit after a night in the Birmingham jail.

[BowTied]

I'm against gay "marriage," and I'm speaking as someone who was IN a "mock gay wedding" on campus some years back as part of a "Gay Wedding Day" event hosted by the campus gay students alliance. A friend of mine from my evening classes, it turned out she was a member of the alliance, thought I'd make a good groom, since I was doing evening classes and was always coming to class straight from my banking job wearing suits and bow ties all the time. My groom was an actual gay guy from the alliance. Our wedding actually took place in a church near campus, with me and him both in suits and bow ties, walking arm-in-arm down the aisle, organ music playing, in front of a church full of over 200 people. In retrospect, I wish I'd not gone through with it, but it goes to the complicity of academia in selling the notion of gay marriage to the younger generation.

[Pio1980]

I'm against gay "marriage," and I'm speaking as someone who was IN a "mock gay wedding" on campus some years back as part of a "Gay Wedding Day" event hosted by the campus gay students alliance. A friend of mine from my evening classes, it turned out she was a member of the alliance, thought I'd make a good groom, since I was doing evening classes and was always coming to class straight from my banking job wearing suits and bow ties all the time. My groom was an actual gay guy from the alliance. Our wedding actually took place in a church near campus, with me and him both in suits and bow ties, walking arm-in-arm down the aisle, organ music playing, in front of a church full of over 200 people. In retrospect, I wish I'd not gone through with it, but it goes to the complicity of academia in selling the notion of gay marriage to the younger generation.
And the point, other than your objection to it, is?

[donquixote99]

I'm against gay "marriage" ....

It's a question of what does less harm. It clearly harms people in love to deny them the right to get married like other couples. Don't see how those that don't like it are actually harmed by the practice.

[BowTied]

They've been cramming the whole gay agenda down the collective throat of society through the media, even to young kids, in schools, all over the place. A college campus, as was the case of Gay Wedding Day, is less surprising than the rest. With some years and perspective, I'd just have to say there's a serious distinction between one man/one woman and same-sex marriage when it comes to the bedrock of society.

[donquixote99]

Ah, the 'cramming down the throat' metaphor. Used to hear it a lot from people who didn't want 'the Bible' crammed down their throat. Didn't like it then either.

Slogans are not thinking.

[BowTied]

It's evident from what we see pop culturally, not to mention academia. The whole "Gay Wedding Day" event in which I was involved was some years before the gay marriage issue came to a head, and I think it was just a little, bitty piece of the whole propaganda campaign aimed in that direction. Yes, I allowed myself to be talked into it. What was funny, I guess you might say, was that prior to Gay Wedding Day I was a perfectly straight guy. Then the wedding day came (during which I was a total nervous wreck). Here's the thing, after the wedding my groom and I dated for almost a year. We were actually talking about going to Massachusetts to be legally wed. I was all set to do so when he broke up with me. Since then, I've been back to dating only women. Ironically, while I'm very pro-traditional marriage, had we gone to Massachusetts and been wed, to this very day I'd still be wed to him and be living a gay lifestyle, just because of the commitment I'd have made.

[Pio1980]

I'm aware that there are "lifestyles" for most folks, some look like a stereotype. For most of us tho, it's just living life and dealing with what comes without an agenda. I do know folks with agendas, some of whom display Confederate and/ or NRA or other symbology. My older brother is a Progressive activist, my younger a quiet Mormon conservative by marination.
I myself try to promote fact based information without an agenda, tho' Progressively sympathetic.

[BowTied]

Stereotype? Yeah, plenty of that going around, including in the gay community. For Todd and I, our relationship was more romantic than anything else. When we were considering going to Massachusetts, we were seeing a counselor on a pre-marriage basis. She was like, "Your relationship started with a wedding? A full-blown wedding?" She said that was likely to be credited for our relationship being so romantic and affectionate and not so "lustful." I was totally ready to go to Massachusetts and have a real wedding. Here I was the "straight" guy, and Todd broke it off! And Gay Wedding Day had been almost an impromptu "coming out," with my mother and sister and several aunts, cousins, and friends there. Kind of hard to undo that!

[donquixote99]

And you come out of all that thinking gay marriage is bad, because it promotes commitment? Or what? Still don't get it.

[BowTied]

Well, I had commitment. I'd come out in a rather public way that took some people by surprise, including myself. Commitment isn't always requited.

[Pio1980]

True, that. In that, I am indeed fortunate.

[merrylander]

BT you sound like a gay person who is in denial, you do realize that it is not a choice, we are either wired one way or the other. Sometimes it even gets so that a baby is identified as one gender but that the soul inside knows that it really belongs to the opposite gender.

[Oerets]

I give little to no thought to same sex marriages. See no big deal to marriage between two or more consenting adults. What consenting adults do in private is of no concern to me.

The term marriage tho historically a religious one has now morphed to encompass legal unions. The marriage physically effects only those on the license, all other only have their feelings hurt by the act. I say BFDeal! Get over it, this is the USA!




Barney

[BowTied]

BT you sound like a gay person who is in denial, you do realize that it is not a choice, we are either wired one way or the other. Sometimes it even gets so that a baby is identified as one gender but that the soul inside knows that it really belongs to the opposite gender.

Denial? I don't think that was the case at all. I walked down the aisle with my groom and was wed in a very formal, traditional wedding - in front of family and friends - and came out fully intent on living a gay life wed to my groom. I think I was embracing it.

[sheltiedave]

You are right. We should get back to the good old days, when gays hid in the park and committed suicide.

[merrylander]

Denial? I don't think that was the case at all. I walked down the aisle with my groom and was wed in a very formal, traditional wedding - in front of family and friends - and came out fully intent on living a gay life wed to my groom. I think I was embracing it.

Your recent posts sound as if you are against gay unions - in case use of the word 'marriage' offends some folk.

Florence and I had thirty-three years as soulmates, she passed into the light three days before our 32 wedding anniversary. Nothing in the world outside could have threatened our marriage, we were the only ones who could offer it a threat. As a Jewish friend put it we were b'sheirt - destined for each other even before birth.While she could still speak her last words to me were 'I love you'. We had quite simply fallen in love at our first meeting - and never looked back.

[BowTied]

Despite my own emotions and feelings, I have the tendency to look at things from an anthropological and sociological standpoint, with a healthy dose of historical perspective thrown in. On all continents, in every country, culture, society, whatever, the way the human race has perpetuated itself for eons is marriage and the family and good ol' put your penis in the vagina sex. That's just how it works. Yeah, me and my groom get all dressed up, have a wedding, get our hearts racing and get all turned on, and yeah, we're very much in love, but in the big picture the whole "penis in the vagina" thing is undeniably invaluable. Before Todd, I'd fully expected a wedding in my future - to a bride - followed by babies and all that. Apparently not. But I'm still honest enough with myself and endeavoring to regard things from a standpoint of genuine intellect, unclouded by my own wants, desires, or feelings.

[donquixote99]

Your main dilemma is going to be that once you take wants, desires, and feelings out of it, one's left with no reason to prefer one thing or another, to say this is better than that, or to judge anything.

There's just no substitute for digging into the wants, desires, and feelings. It's a lifetime project....

[sheltiedave]

There are plenty of babies in the world that desperately need parents, and I mean they are desperate. Foster parents, adoptive parents, and parents by proxy. If you think gay marriage short circuits the ability to love, raise, and be parents with the whole baby thing, you are wrong.

A family is not defined solely around the making babies routine. Just as the decision to start a family is a decision both out of love and a certain level of selfishness, the decision not to seek starting a family through adoption is very much a selfish one. One of the greatest gifts we are given is the ability to share our love within the context of a family.

We personally know at least fifteen couples who have adopted, including two gay couples and a lesbian couple - in Missouri! Last time I heard about fostering, there is a need for over 200 foster parents in St. Louis alone. I'm sure this shortage is nationwide.

[merrylander]

There are plenty of babies in the world that desperately need parents, and I mean they are desperate. Foster parents, adoptive parents, and parents by proxy. If you think gay marriage short circuits the ability to love, raise, and be parents with the whole baby thing, you are wrong.

A family is not defined solely around the making babies routine. Just as the decision to start a family is a decision both out of love and a certain level of selfishness, the decision not to seek starting a family through adoption is very much a selfish one. One of the greatest gifts we are given is the ability to share our love within the context of a family.

We personally know at least fifteen couples who have adopted, including two gay couples and a lesbian couple - in Missouri! Last time I heard about fostering, there is a need for over 200 foster parents in St. Louis alone. I'm sure this shortage is nationwide.

As it happened in both marriages there was no possibility of children. My first wife could not get pregnant whatever we tried and despite surgery. Florence had undergone a radical hysterectomy three years before we met, So is the suggestion that those were not 'real' marriages?

Having adopted in Canada during my first marriage the main reason there are so few adoptions here is that the laws governing adoption and parental rights are asinine. Here in misogynistic Maryland they failed to pass an act that would have denied any parental rights to a rapist if his act made the woman pregnant.

[Pio1980]

Given the way some "natural parents" treat their infants and kids, I'm not impressed with straight as a paragon of ideal family life. My own was much closer to ideal than some others, tho' there's no test required for responsible reproduction. It's generally easier to generate pregnancy than to think rationally or do the simplest tasks.

[sheltiedave]

Yep Pio, the first hour is the easy part. The next 21 years are the march to the sea. :-)

[Pio1980]

If certain activist types only cared as much about the condition of the fetus's host prenatal situation, and the infant and parent(s) post-natal welfare as affordable public services. That was Planned Parenthood's forte, that's pro life in practice.

[sheltiedave]

Can anyone think of anything that Huckabee helped MLK with, like marching with him?