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BlueStreak 10-24-2009 12:49 AM

"Hate Crime" Legislation?
 
What do y'all think of this?

Dave

d-ray657 10-24-2009 01:01 AM

Although they do seem to criminalize ideas or attitudes, they seem to pass constitutional muster with the Supreme Court. If the ideas (no matter how ugly the ideas are) were the sole grounds for the crime, I would be worried. The laws that I have seen, however, involve some other criminal behavior, coupled with racial or religious intimidation.

Regards,

D-Ray

merrylander 10-24-2009 07:28 AM

If this is in regard to the recent bill passed because of the gay boy who was murdered simply because he was gay it does not get my knickers in a twist. Like it or not gay citizens are still citizens and deserve protection like everyone else. If you want to kill someone simply because you disagree with their sexual proclivities, you get the slammer.

noonereal 10-24-2009 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 7786)
What do y'all think of this?

Dave

No valid reason for such distinctions.

A crime is a crime.

JJIII 10-24-2009 08:10 AM

"The dream police, they live inside of my head.
The dream police, they come to me in my bed.
The dream police, theyre coming to arrest me, oh no."


Words and music by rick nielsen



It is nobody's business what I think. If I act illegally, that's another story entirely.

BlueStreak 10-24-2009 10:53 AM

[QUOTE=JJIII;7795

It is nobody's business what I think. If I act illegally, that's another story entirely.[/QUOTE]


The only way anyone can control what you think is if you let them.

I believe the law is only intended for those have acted upon their sick, violent thoughts. Although it may have an added psychological deterrent effect.

Dave

Sandy G 10-24-2009 10:58 AM

"It is nobody's business what I think. If I act illegally,that's another story entirely." Exactamundo ! This is a VERY bad precedent, IMHO.

BlueStreak 10-24-2009 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy G (Post 7800)
"It is nobody's business what I think. If I act illegally,that's another story entirely." Exactamundo ! This is a VERY bad precedent, IMHO.

How so? How is it that you think someone is trying to control your thoughts? As I stated above, the only way someone can control your thoughts is if you let them. (IMO)

BTW, I personally think our laws/punishments are far too lenient against anyone who commits violent crime, regardless of their motive.

However, don't you think there might be a difference between a man killing another because he catches the guy humping his wife, goes berserk and a....."crime of passion" occurs, as opposed to someone deliberately seeking out someone/anyone of a different ethnicity or "group" and beating/torturing/killing them based solely on the premise of his hatred for them? (The group, not the individual.) And spending a considerable amount of time planning and executing the crime? Sorry, but I do, I think there is a big difference.

As I see it, one is a momentary impulse (Inexcusable nontheless.), the other is an act of deliberate premeditation, and there should be added consideration.

Those are my thoughts, anyhow.

Dave

Charles 10-24-2009 02:07 PM

I thought murder was already against the law.

Chas

Twodogs 10-24-2009 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Charles (Post 7806)
I thought murder was already against the law.

Chas

Not if you really like the guy you're killing.:p


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