With Presidents Like This Who Needs Enemies?
 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...ushpmg00000009

Something tells me that the older, sicker, less well off people who would most be hurt by Trump's efforts to destroy protections against pre-existing conditions
through executive malfeasance most likely voted for him.

When will this nightmare end?

ACA diminished to Trumpcare don't care. Fuck off and die, losers

If the GOP is wanting to allow the public the ability of buying into a group plan together. Then why not go single payer? Every argument put forth on the new plan could also be used for single payer.


Barney

A president who is doing everything in his power to break the nation.

Trump broke the ACA, now he owns it.

That's my point.

It is now " Trumpcare".

This guy is just a hater who unfortunately has the football.

Has been since January 20th......


Barney

With Presidents Like This Who Needs Enemies?
 

Good point. But trump won't admit to that.

When the zombie apocalypse began.

Is this for what he has done, which is nothing, or for what he has undone. Specifically on birth control and abortion. Unwanted, unloved and un-cared for children is really what this country needs more of?

Trump gets hero’s welcome at Christian summit

The first ever sitting president. Guess not very many places he gets invited to I guess where the average IQ is in triple digits.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...ristian-summit

Back when the Obamacare was being debated on this forum, insurance companies were the enemies to many forum posters - some of whom posted in this thread - who turned premiums into profits by investing wisely and refusing to pay claims. Premiums were too high because of insurance company profiteering.

So, this thread comes as a bit of a surprise. The CSR payments - if viewed through the prism that yielded the comments back in 2010 - 2011 - should be viewed as payoffs to the insurance companies to help prop up profit margins. Now, here you folks are bemoaning the fact that those CSR payments might be curtailed.

Can someone explain the left's change of heart or change of perspective on this?

You're going to have to back up such broadbrush statements with citations, Mike. Let's see them.

There would be no tax cut for anyone without breaking Obamacare(ACA.)

Now Trump can roll out the tax cut heaven for his cronies and family. He is ready to go berserk with all the tax changes, which is all he wants to do as President.

Seriously? Your lack of memory in this case seems purposeful. However, lots of ground covered in threads like these, where insurance carriers are characterized as part of the problem because of their profit motive:

http://www.politicalchat.org/showthread.php?t=4502

http://www.politicalchat.org/showthread.php?t=6290

... you insisted that the GOP had a plan that would provide better care, cost less and cover more people (after I insisted that they had no such plan). Now, who looks like the gullible Trumpster?

I said nothing of the sort, though the plan had elements could help start to bring costs down.

However, back then you were trying to put words in my mouth, and your lame - ass debate tactics are as flawed then as they are today.

...fixed it a bit for ya...

Easy. That would be you, sir.

Oh, and by the way...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot.../#30915d9e3cca

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot.../#690407bd3355

If there was a for-profit free market alternative to the ACA, we'd already have it.

The staggering amount of revisionism you employ in defense of Trump and the GOP is truly a sight to behold (and laugh at).:rolleyes:

Here's one of many such exchanges where you claim that the GOP had a viable plan waiting in the wings:

As usual, you're full of crap, Mike. Neither of those links provide any underpinnings to your ridiculous broadbrush statements/attacks.

Health care cannot be delivered within a true free-market paradigm. A free market requires buyers and sellers of a good/service to have equal information as to the cost, quality and efficacy of all available options. This is simply not possible in health care.

Attacks!? LOL! Actually, those links do provide a good source of info about the Repubs history on the topic. The part that's lost on you is that the Repubs aren't stupid enough to try to pass something as huge, unwieldy and unworkable as ObamaCare. Only the left is that stupid.

Yet they have been shit scared to pass a clean repeal for seven frigging years, and why is that?

Shit scared isn't accurate, and a repeal passed the House during the Obama years but does in the Dem controlled Senate. Many Repubs ran on repealing it during the last election But have this far failed to deliver. But I suspect you know this, so why are you trying to be misleading?

History proves the above statement utterly false. Now, if you want to make the point that the recent evolution in the payment systems for healthcare have removed the free market from healthcare, you might have a point.

Where am I misleading? You posted this: ".........Repubs aren't stupid enough to try to pass something as huge, unwieldy and unworkable as ObamaCare."

So I asked how come you guys don't or have not had the balls to repeal it?
Cowardice is why, pure and simple from the party of NO.

I’m simply astounded than anyone still supports these bumbling, cowardly Repubes, and their idiot leader and his bought-and-paid-for cabinet. Disgusted by the lot of them. They represent nothing but special interests, certainly not we the people.

You can say that again, cowards every one of them in Congress except a handful at the most. They watch as Trump is destroying their party and the credibility of the country worldwide. Steve Bannon is now the most powerful politician in the country.

Which country, including ours, has had a free-market health care system in the past half century? Not a single one, including ours.

The US has a free market medical system that Federal and state governments participate in, to provide health care for their employees (and families) and citizens who qualify for subsidized health care. The ACA has been a boon to this free market by requiring citizens who previously chose not to purchase our health care market's expensive insurance to now purchase this insurance. The ACA has taken away the citizen's freedom to not participate in the medical insurance market.

In other words, during Obama's administration the GOP came up with two alternative plans to the ACA yet have failed to enact either one since the election. :rolleyes:

If one is forced to participate as you say then it is not really a free market system then is it? You have a way of contradicting yourself when you go after other posters just to be obtuse, as you have attempted with Finnbow.

The US economy is considered "mixed" in that various free market and so************************t aspects work together in a concerted effort to produce the maximum benefit for society. Social Security and Medicare are the most obvious examples in the health care sector.

In other words, you understood my point, notwithstanding your initial paragraph. :)

Informal Poll:

Who is the most passive-aggressive poster now active on Political Chat?

1. Nailer
2. DonQuixote99
3. It's a tie
4. Any other answer.


(BTW, this is a 'push poll.' No answers necessary.)