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finnbow 10-07-2011 10:20 AM

Reason vs. Intuition and their bearing on religious belief
 
It seems that three different peer-reviewed studies show that the greater one depends on intuition vs. reason for answers, the greater their belief in God.

http://ts-si.org/the-dialogue/30987-...eligious-faith

Put in simpler terms, those who don't "get" math are more likely to be religious and those that apply reason instead of intuition are more likely to be less religious. Speaking for myself, these studies hold true.

BlueStreak 10-07-2011 10:31 AM

It doesn't take a mathmetician to see how religion is used to manipulate, or patriotism either, for that matter. Both are mind control tools. I think, if someone were to do a study of the sort, they would find that most mechanically or technically inclined people aren't very religious either.

Something about the ability to watch something run and figure out how it works............

But, it's an interesting article, Finn. Thanks.

Dave

d-ray657 10-07-2011 12:21 PM

Interesting that philosophy, which sometimes has a reputation of being amorphous or "intuitive," was largely populated by mathematicians. Just goes to show that reputation does not always relate to truth.

Regards,

D-Ray

bhunter 10-07-2011 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 75522)
It seems that three different peer-reviewed studies show that the greater one depends on intuition vs. reason for answers, the greater their belief in God.

http://ts-si.org/the-dialogue/30987-...eligious-faith

Put in simpler terms, those who don't "get" math are more likely to be religious and those that apply reason instead of intuition are more likely to be less religious. Speaking for myself, these studies hold true.

How'd you do on the bat and ball? I thought the obvious then translated the words into the two eq'n in 2 Xs, then transposed and solved.

Since you're a NPR listener you may already have seen Kevin Devlin's stuff:

http://www.stanford.edu/~kdevlin/MathGuy.html

Devlin's Angle
http://www.maa.org/devlin/

bhunter 10-08-2011 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by d-ray657 (Post 75531)
Interesting that philosophy, which sometimes has a reputation of being amorphous or "intuitive," was largely populated by mathematicians. Just goes to show that reputation does not always relate to truth.

Regards,

D-Ray

You can still find many scientists, particularly those that are at the edges of cosmology and quantum physics, that are religious. Not all scientists are as atheistic as the great evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins. As science uncovers more, the questions just get pushed further and at times enter the realm of philosophy and even religion. Science is just the process. That process is not nearly as objective and free of bias as a lot of people think. Scientists, like all groups, have entrenched interests. It doesn't and can't answer philosophical questions and make judgements on the value of religious belief.

painter 10-08-2011 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by bhunter (Post 75641)
You can still find many scientists, particularly those that are at the edges of cosmology and quantum physics, that are religious. Not all scientists are as atheistic as the great evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins. As science uncovers more, the questions just get pushed further and at times enter the realm of philosophy and even religion. Science is just the process. That process is not nearly as objective and free of bias as a lot of people think. Scientists, like all groups, have entrenched interests. It doesn't and can't answer philosophical questions and make judgements on the value of religious belief.


Excellent! :)

merrylander 10-08-2011 08:21 AM

I believe that I am a rational, logical person - that is probably what made me such a damned good computer programmer. While we no longer belong to any organized religion/church we do believe in the teachings of Jesus. According to Luke (who was a physician, therefore educated for his time, Jesus said he was the Son of God and Luke believed him.

Both Florence and me have experienced things in our lives that are inexplicable by science but easily explained if you think there may be angels about.

Do I believe that the world was created in 6 days - explain "day". Do I believe in Adam and Eve - probably the first demonstration of male chavinism, blame it all on the woman.

If when I die that's it - so then my belief is wrong. On the other hand if I do walk into the light and I had not believed I would feel pretty stupid.:o

BlueStreak 10-08-2011 11:23 AM

For clarification;

In my opinion spirituality and religion are two different things.

Spirituality is a belief in the afterlife or the possibility thereof.

Religion is a construct of man, used to manipulate and control.

Dave

merrylander 10-08-2011 11:45 AM

I like that definition.

Charles 10-08-2011 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 75654)
I believe that I am a rational, logical person - that is probably what made me such a damned good computer programmer. While we no longer belong to any organized religion/church we do believe in the teachings of Jesus. According to Luke (who was a physician, therefore educated for his time, Jesus said he was the Son of God and Luke believed him.

Both Florence and me have experienced things in our lives that are inexplicable by science but easily explained if you think there may be angels about.

Do I believe that the world was created in 6 days - explain "day". Do I believe in Adam and Eve - probably the first demonstration of male chavinism, blame it all on the woman.

If when I die that's it - so then my belief is wrong. On the other hand if I do walk into the light and I had not believed I would feel pretty stupid.:o

I play the cards I've been dealt.

So far, I haven't even pulled a supernatural pair. But that doesn't stop me from drawing for an inside straight.

I don't sweat it too much either way.

Hell, I'm nobody or nothing, why should I have all of the answers?

Chas

d-ray657 10-08-2011 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Charles (Post 75687)
I play the cards I've been dealt.

So far, I haven't even pulled a supernatural pair. But that doesn't stop me from drawing for an inside straight.

I don't sweat it too much either way.

Hell, I'm nobody or nothing, why should I have all of the answers?

Chas

I dunno, but you do a pretty good job of asking questions. Socratic method anyone?

Regards,

D-Ray

Dondilion 10-08-2011 03:13 PM

I thank the life of Christ for providing me with a conscience. However I cannot abide a lot of happenings especially in the Old Testament. The killing of the first born is especially hard to digest.
I beieve that there is a God. But does God wants us to woriship him? Question like this bugs me and leave me ambivalent to religion and there is also the fear of the after life. A fear which can get to the best of our scientist.

Charles 10-08-2011 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by d-ray657 (Post 75701)
I dunno, but you do a pretty good job of asking questions. Socratic method anyone?

Regards,

D-Ray

That's cheating, even though it's effective if you can keep people too busy to see what you're doing.

Chas

Charles 10-08-2011 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 75703)
I thank the life of Christ for providing me with a conscience. However I cannot abide a lot of happenings especially in the Old Testament. The killing of the first born is especially hard to digest.
I beieve that there is a God. But does God wants us to woriship him? Question like this bugs me and leave me ambivalent to religion and there is also the fear of the after life. A fear which can get to the best of our scientist.

A conscience is what one develops after one discovers there is no oversight by Santa Claus, but realizes that the Tooth Fairy is still capable of knocking out all of one's teeth should he be pissed off bad enough.

Just a thought.

Chas


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