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donquixote99 10-12-2022 10:43 AM

Gog and Magog
 
George W Bush believed the biblical stuff about Gog and Magog was a reason to invade Iraq, and said so to Jacques Chirac by way of trying to get him to help. If we count what happened to Iraq as matching the outcome predicted (and it's not a big stretch), we can tick this prophecy off as done.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...on-george-bush

BTW I have this reference from the book "They Knew" by Susan Kendzior. Highly recommended. Explains how conspiracy theory is understandable. Some theories point to actual conspiracies, and some theories are created by actual conspiracies.

BigElCat 10-12-2022 04:59 PM

The Christian Bible is (IMHO) the Unified Conspiracy Theory.

We'll back it up to Noah; we've all heard of the Noah's Ark story.

Noah had three sons who avoided being drowned with all other inhabitants of earth; Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Noah, his wife, and the sons' wives were also spared.

Magog is Japeth's second son. His people, referred to as Gog, were destine to conquer the land of Israel. But they are not part of the tribe of Judah. Jacob, the swindler, became the patriarch of Israel. Israel became 12 tribes, Judah being one of them.

This leads us to the Bush dynasty, and the establishment of the modern day Nation / State of Israel. This wouldn't have happened without the Jewish Holocaust.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...secondworldwar

(to be continued)

Dondilion 10-13-2022 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigElCat (Post 411768)
The Christian Bible is (IMHO) the Unified Conspiracy Theory.

We'll back it up to Noah; we've all heard of the Noah's Ark story.

Noah had three sons who avoided being drowned with all other inhabitants of earth; Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Noah, his wife, and the sons' wives were also spared.

Magog is Japeth's second son. His people, referred to as Gog, were destine to conquer the land of Israel. But they are not part of the tribe of Judah. Jacob, the swindler, became the patriarch of Israel. Israel became 12 tribes, Judah being one of them.

This leads us to the Bush dynasty, and the establishment of the modern day Nation / State of Israel. This wouldn't have happened without the Jewish Holocaust.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...secondworldwar

(to be continued)

The unified conspiracy theory!
I am awaiting your continuation.

There were significant sympathy and support for Hitler in the business and upper class of Europe and America. Hitler was seen as a growing counter
to the evil Bolsheviks. it is not surprising that the Bushes were part of that abetting clique.

donquixote99 10-13-2022 08:27 AM

A bit more from Sarah Kendzior: "Pizzagate is an example of a preemptive narrative inversion, one of the main methods used by elites to dodge accountability. Preemptive narrative inversion is an early propaganda intervention in which outside parties interested in an actual crime are redirected toward a fictitious crime that exonerates the actual criminals and, ideally, implicates their opponents at the same time." The Epstein operation is one actual crime example. You now understand the original idea behind Q-Anon.

donquixote99 10-13-2022 08:34 AM

"Unified Conspiracy Theory" is a cute phrase! :D

BigElCat 10-13-2022 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 411786)
A bit more from Sarah Kendzior: "Pizzagate is an example of a preemptive narrative inversion, one of the main methods used by elites to dodge accountability. Preemptive narrative inversion is an early propaganda intervention in which outside parties interested in an actual crime are redirected toward a fictitious crime that exonerates the actual criminals and, ideally, implicates their opponents at the same time." The Epstein operation is one actual crime example. You now understand the original idea behind Q-Anon.

The GOP 'stolen election' narrative would be another example, would it not ?

BigElCat 10-13-2022 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 411778)
The unified conspiracy theory!
I am awaiting your continuation.

There were significant sympathy and support for Hitler in the business and upper class of Europe and America. Hitler was seen as a growing counter
to the evil Bolsheviks. it is not surprising that the Bushes were part of that abetting clique.

And who is said (in the Book of Revelation) to motivate nations to war against one another, to get people to kill each other. The Gog.

Where did the Communist manifesto come from ? England; Engels and Marx.

Where did the financial architecture of the Nazi's come from ? England; Rothschilds / Max Warburg. Who escaped Nazi Germany right before the war broke out ? Max.

Most of the turmoil in the Middle East stems from the displacement of the Palestinians to create Israel.

IMHO, these things are not coincidental.

finnbow 10-13-2022 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BigElCat (Post 411804)
And who is said (in the Book of Revelation) to motivate nations to war against one another, to get people to kill each other. The Gog.

Where did the Communist manifesto come from ? England; Engels and Marx.

Where did the financial architecture of the Nazi's come from ? England; Rothschilds / Max Warburg. Who escaped Nazi Germany right before the war broke out ? Max.

Most of the turmoil in the Middle East stems from the displacement of the Palestinians to create Israel.

IMHO, these things are not coincidental.

Marx and Engels were Germans who wrote The Communist Manifesto in Brussels. It was then published in London. As for Third Reich inspiration and financing, it came from many places, including the USA, though Thiessen and Krupp, large German industrial concerns, provided significant funding.

Dondilion 10-13-2022 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigElCat (Post 411804)
And who is said (in the Book of Revelation) to motivate nations to war against one another, to get people to kill each other. The Gog.

Where did the Communist manifesto come from ? England; Engels and Marx.

Where did the financial architecture of the Nazi's come from ? England; Rothschilds / Max Warburg. Who escaped Nazi Germany right before the war broke out ? Max.

Most of the turmoil in the Middle East stems from the displacement of the Palestinians to create Israel.

IMHO, these things are not coincidental.

So in Conspiracy theory what is the thought on the slaughter of the first born?

donquixote99 10-13-2022 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigElCat (Post 411803)
The GOP 'stolen election' narrative would be another example, would it not ?

Absolutely.

BigElCat 10-13-2022 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 411806)
So in Conspiracy theory what is the thought on the slaughter of the first born?

That is the Old Testament. Not sure what you're asking.

I think the Passover is the literal truth, rather than allegory.

The Prophet Muhammad states that his people, The Children of the Book, were the ones led out of captivity in Egypt. This is central to my jigsaw puzzle theory, but I'm not sure that's what you're asking.

You could be asking, 'how could the Creator be all about love, and then kill babies' (and therefore it's all BS).

BigElCat 10-13-2022 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 411805)
Marx and Engels were Germans who wrote The Communist Manifesto in Brussels. It was then published in London. As for Third Reich inspiration and financing, it came from many places, including the USA, though Thiessen and Krupp, large German industrial concerns, provided significant funding.

This is true.

And our modern enemies are not true Communist, they are opportunist control freaks.

But we can see how the foundation for modern conflicts was laid down long ago.

finnbow 10-13-2022 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BigElCat (Post 411816)
This is true.

And our modern enemies are not true Communist, they are opportunist control freaks.

But we can see how the foundation for modern conflicts was laid down long ago.

There is no pure Communism or Capitolism on the planet. They do, however, provide the general framework for constructing/governing a society and its economy. And the foundation for conflict has been the same since time immemorial - land, resources, religion and the desire of larger nations to impose their ideals/models on other nations, particularly those nearby.

Pio1980 10-24-2022 10:48 PM

Why the Founding Generation Fell So Hard for the Illuminati Story https://l.smartnews.com/m1Rbp/ls4zcx

BigElCat 10-25-2022 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 412315)
Why the Founding Generation Fell So Hard for the Illuminati Story https://l.smartnews.com/m1Rbp/ls4zcx

It's All connected.

Our favorite President, Jimmy Carter, was ousted thusly;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4wke_OcInI&t=654s

GHWB, Iran/Contra/Cocaine, the Savings and Loan Crisis, and even the present day DeSantis vs. Disney World.

BigElCat 10-30-2022 04:03 PM

Kanye West sure messed up.

"Death Con 3", what a dumbass.

I have news for the people that convert to Islam, or people that believe in the Qur'an. Just believing can't change your ancestry, or your DNA. The Children of the Book could have been the ones Moses lead out of Egypt, but it does not mean it applies to just anyone that converts.

All the prophecies of the Old Testament were fulfilled by the advent of Christ (IMHO). Bloodlines mean nothing anymore.

By the same token, converting to Judaism does not change one's ancestry.

Jesus said he only came for the Jews, and he seemed somewhat disappointed His power of salvation rubbed off on the Gentiles. But what the hey, we can go to Heaven, too.

Kanye wasn't wrong about everything, though. Down $2 billion in one day just for bitching about God's pre-destine plan. The 'powers that be' have the right and the might to do that.

BigElCat 10-30-2022 04:13 PM

The good news is that Lauren Boebert is going to Hell.

"If Jesus had enough AR-15s, he wouldn't have been crucified".

Yep yep yep...Lake of Fire for her.

Oerets 10-30-2022 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BigElCat (Post 412541)
The good news is that Lauren Boebert is going to Hell.

"If Jesus had enough AR-15s, he wouldn't have been crucified".

Yep yep yep...Lake of Fire for her.


Her own words demonstrates she is no follower of his.......:rolleyes:

donquixote99 10-30-2022 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigElCat (Post 412541)
The good news is that Lauren Boebert is going to Hell.

"If Jesus had enough AR-15s, he wouldn't have been crucified".

Yep yep yep...Lake of Fire for her.

Big-time blasphemy. General and accepted theology is that the crucifixion didn't happen due to lack of firepower, it was consensual. And Boebert is also saying that sufficient AR-15's can do what Jesus by himself could not. I'd say AR-15s are her god.

Rajoo 10-30-2022 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigElCat (Post 412541)
The good news is that Lauren Boebert is going to Hell.

"If Jesus had enough AR-15s, he wouldn't have been crucified".

Yep yep yep...Lake of Fire for her.

My condolences and now you need another whack job heart throb.
Kari is just as nuts and hopefully she is your type. If not, I promise to keep looking. :D

Rajoo 10-30-2022 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 412551)
Big-time blasphemy. General and accepted theology is that the crucifixion didn't happen due to lack of firepower, it was consensual. And Boebert is also saying that sufficient AR-15's can do what Jesus by himself could not. I'd say AR-15s are her god.

Gun Church That Worships With AR-15s Bought a 40-Acre Compound in Texas for Its ‘Patriots’

The Rod of Iron Ministries has become more militant since leader Hyung Jin “Sean” Moon attended the riot at the U.S. Capitol on January 6.


Quote:

A religious sect known for worshipping with AR-15s and its MAGA politics has purchased a sprawling, 40-acre compound in central Texas, which it hopes will offer a safe-haven for “patriots” from what they believe is an imminent war brought by the “deep state,” VICE News has learned.

The property, located in the small community of Thornton, 40 miles from Waco, was listed at just under $1 million. It’s been dubbed “Liberty Rock'' by its new owners, the Sanctuary Church aka Rod of Iron Ministries, led by Pastor Hyung Jin “Sean” Moon. Members of the congregation often refer to him as “King.”
https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3dp...r-its-patriots

donquixote99 10-30-2022 07:50 PM

Roh-roh. An armed sect in a compound near Waco? I have this very strong and uncomfortable feeling of deja-vu....

BigElCat 10-31-2022 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 412555)
My condolences and now you need another whack job heart throb.
Kari is just as nuts and hopefully she is your type. If not, I promise to keep looking. :D

I finally saw a couple of pics of Lauren that were not flattering.

Kari's a fox. She might get tired of her handsome, multi-millionaire husband and want to live in my shack. Kind of a back to basics thing. I'd be like how long can you go without talking ?

finnbow 10-31-2022 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BigElCat (Post 412582)
I finally saw a couple of pics of Lauren that were not flattering.

Kari's a fox. She might get tired of her handsome, multi-millionaire husband and want to live in my shack. Kind of a back to basics thing. I'd be like how long can you go without talking ?

A pretty fascist is still a fascist.

Dondilion 10-31-2022 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BigElCat (Post 412582)
I finally saw a couple of pics of Lauren that were not flattering.

Kari's a fox. She might get tired of her handsome, multi-millionaire husband and want to live in my shack. Kind of a back to basics thing. I'd be like how long can you go without talking ?

You are a riot!

BigElCat 10-31-2022 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 412587)
A pretty fascist is still a fascist.

I had no intent of respecting her.

If you can't ____ a fascist, who can you ____ ?

:D

finnbow 10-31-2022 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BigElCat (Post 412596)
I had no intent of respecting her.

If you can't ____ a fascist, who can you ____ ?

:D

I guess I'm just not that hard up.:cool:

Rajoo 10-31-2022 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigElCat (Post 412596)
I had no intent of respecting her.

If you can't ____ a fascist, who can you ____ ?

:D

Guess trust is not in your vocabulary. Figures from a Fascist lover. :D

donquixote99 10-31-2022 05:09 PM

BECat is a Christian commanded to love his enemies.

BigElCat 11-05-2022 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 412599)
Guess trust is not in your vocabulary. Figures from a Fascist lover. :D

Oooh. She's funny, too. Won't be Arkancided.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84uVq1fVBq8

Her laugh is pretty creepy (a double dose of ************************ laugh).

BigElCat 01-26-2023 04:30 AM

The USA's unwillingness or inability to make it's mortgage payment to the World Bank or IMF is what triggers the world to splinter into seven distinct economic zones.

This is my interpretation of the Book of revelation. This is why I think the world financiers are Gog and Magog. They set the stage, and direct the 'play' that leads to Armageddon.

It looks like it's in full swing to me. Kick off time.

donquixote99 01-26-2023 10:12 AM

Initiated here by some imps in Congress.

BigElCat 01-26-2023 10:52 AM

They may be kicking the can down the road again.

The Repub's idea of disbanding the IRS and instituting a 30% Federal Sales Tax isn't going to fly.

They don't dare suggest dissolving the private 'Federal' Reserve, and defaulting on the debt intentionally. That's when we get the seven separate zones of influence.

Bringing back Lincoln's true Greenback does have some appeal.

A Fiat Currency backed by faith in the US Military Forces ability to kick anyone's ass, anywhere in the world.

But we have to kowtow to Israel, some kind of super natural bondage.

Dondilion 01-26-2023 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigElCat (Post 414978)
They may be kicking the can down the road again.

The Repub's idea of disbanding the IRS and instituting a 30% Federal Sales Tax isn't going to fly.

They don't dare suggest dissolving the private 'Federal' Reserve, and defaulting on the debt intentionally. That's when we get the seven separate zones of influence.

Bringing back Lincoln's true Greenback does have some appeal.

A Fiat Currency backed by faith in the US Military Forces ability to kick anyone's ass, anywhere in the world.

But we have to kowtow to Israel, some kind of super natural bondage.

The system is bought and is prevented from reseting itself. However I believe the point is being approached where bankruptcy has to occur.
The coming of India and China is going to make military holganism in support of currency harder to implement.

donquixote99 01-26-2023 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 414979)
The system is bought and is prevented from reseting itself. However I believe the point is being approached where bankruptcy has to occur.
The coming of India and China is going to make military holganism in support of currency harder to implement.

What bankruptcy why? I think you're losing sight of what an economic colossus the USA is. Start with incredible geography: abundant internal and external water transportation, abundant ports, abuntant coal, iron and other minerals, abundant oil and gas, abundant fresh water and huge amounts of agricultural land. Then we have a large educated population of workers, lots of capital resources and infrastructure, and lots of institutional economic infrastructure. The productivity of the US is what backs our currency, and absent a stupid civil war or a right wing insane disinvestment, we can go on as we are indefinitely.

finnbow 01-26-2023 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 414979)
The system is bought and is prevented from reseting itself. However I believe the point is being approached where bankruptcy has to occur.
The coming of India and China is going to make military holganism in support of currency harder to implement.

Are you taking over for Maria Zakharova as Russia's Foreign Ministry spokesperson?:rolleyes:

Dondilion 01-26-2023 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 414980)
What bankruptcy why? I think you're losing sight of what an economic colossus the USA is. Start with incredible geography: abundant internal and external water transportation, abundant ports, abuntant coal, iron and other minerals, abundant oil and gas, abundant fresh water and huge amounts of agricultural land. Then we have a large educated population of workers, lots of capital resources and infrastructure, and lots of institutional economic infrastructure. The productivity of the US is what backs our currency, and absent a stupid civil war or a right wing insane disinvestment, we can go on as we are indefinitely.

The US has not recovered from 2008. That is why QE with several numbers had such a long run.

donquixote99 01-26-2023 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 414993)
The US has not recovered from 2008. That is why QE with several numbers had such a long run.

So that means, despite everything I said, that our currency is in peril and we are careening toward bankruptcy? I call poppycock!

Dondilion 01-26-2023 11:09 PM

:p
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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 414999)
So that means, despite everything I said, that our currency is in peril and we are careening toward bankruptcy? I call poppycock!

So why is the middle disappearing and the people have no savings. US is living way beyond its means that is what the mounting debt implies. And the debt is pervasive...credit card, car, education, shelter.
Real wage is stagnant.

Bankruptcy provides a new start. It a staple of capitalism.

Oerets 01-27-2023 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 415003)
:p

So why is the middle disappearing and the people have no savings. US is living way beyond its means that is what the mounting debt implies. And the debt is pervasive...credit card, car, education, shelter.
Real wage is stagnant.

Bankruptcy provides a new start. It a staple of capitalism.

One of a staples of capitalism is "other people's money". The wealthy routinely as standard operating practice use other people's money to finance their endeavors. So is true the staple allowed when it comes to the paying of taxes on the profits afforded from the benefits and opportunities this country enables. Due largely to the ability to buy favors and influences from elected officials through donations to campaigns. To the awarding positions after leaving office.


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