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JCricket 04-09-2018 08:54 PM

trumps attorneys office raided by the FBI
 
Tic, tic, tic, BOOM!

What say you folks

Pio1980 04-09-2018 10:39 PM

http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-fascist-354690

donquixote99 04-10-2018 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 369869)

So spoke 'the press' which is claimed to be mighty. It spoke rightly here, and did so again and again and again.

Seems like it's not so mighty these days.

JCricket 04-10-2018 07:53 AM

so what do you folks think the AG will find in all of the documents they seized? SEC crimes? Stormy payoffs?
What about the outcome with Trump?

bobabode 04-10-2018 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCricket (Post 369883)
so what do you folks think the AG will find in all of the documents they seized? SEC crimes? Stormy payoffs?
What about the outcome with Trump?

Witches and 'Deadbeat' Donnie's missing tax returns.

finnbow 04-10-2018 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCricket (Post 369883)
so what do you folks think the AG will find in all of the documents they seized? SEC crimes? Stormy payoffs?
What about the outcome with Trump?

Bank and wire fraud are almost a given. When getting the home equity loan, you need to provide the reason for the loan. I doubt he said "bribing a porn star." Same goes for establishing a corporation in Delaware. In the incorporation documents, I'm equally certain he didn't say that the corporations purpose was to bribe a porn star. Lastly, the deposit of $130K in the east coast bank and the wire transfer to the west coast bank both hit the $10K tripwire for Federal reporting to investigate and it seems this money represents a violation of campaign finance law. Just in the Stormy affair, Cohen probably engaged in 3-4 felonies.

whell 04-10-2018 08:25 AM

What Mueller is reportedly interested in:
  • The special counsel Robert Mueller is reportedly probing a $150,000 donation a pro-Russian Ukrainian oligarch made to the Trump Foundation in September 2015.
  • The oligarch, Victor Pinchuk, made the donation after then-candidate Donald Trump gave a 20-minute speech at a European conference that promoted closer ties between Ukraine and the West.
  • Pinchuk has previously advocated for making compromises with Russia to resolve the conflict with Ukraine.
  • The donation was reportedly solicited by Trump's personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, whose offices were raided by the FBI as part of a separate investigation on Monday.

What no one is interested in looking closer at:

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles...-speaking-fees

Hillary Clinton's speaking fees have been the subject of much political debate.

After she resigned as secretary of state, Clinton joined the speaking circuit, raking in millions for paid speeches at about $200,000 a pop.

An investigation from the Associated Press ties those fees to government influence. Of the nearly $22 million Clinton made in fees, most was from groups that had recently lobbied the government.

whell 04-10-2018 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 369885)
Just in the Stormy affair, Cohen probably engaged in 3-4 felonies.

Finn is an criminal attorney now. This fits well with your skill as a mind reader. :rolleyes:

finnbow 04-10-2018 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 369888)
Finn is an criminal attorney now. This fits well with your skill as a mind reader. :rolleyes:

My father was both a criminal attorney and tax attorney and I have extensive training and experience in contract law.

It has been widely reported that Cohen is being investigated for bank and wire fraud as well as campaign law violations in connection with l'affaire Stormy. What your analysis for how bank and wire fraud and campaign finance law connect to l'affaire Stormy? I gave you mine, let's hear yours.

Two of the potential crimes being investigated — bank fraud and wire fraud — suggest prosecutors have some reason to think Cohen may have misled bankers about why he was using particular funds or may have improperly used banks in the transfer of funds...

The search requests for records related to the payment to Daniels cited investigators’ interest in possible violations of election law, according to one person familiar with the investigators’ work.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...cef_story.html

finnbow 04-10-2018 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 369887)
What Mueller is reportedly interested in ...

That's one of many, many things Mueller is looking into. As for your questions on Hillary, her transgressions (if any) have no bearing whatsoever on the guilt (or lack thereof) of Trump and his crime family. Hillary whataboutism works on wingnut websites. It doesn't work here. Swing and a miss.

Chicks 04-10-2018 09:01 AM

Any “analysis” from Whell would be laughable. Here’s what The Atlantic has to say. Cohen is in deep doo-doo.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...rouble/557606/

finnbow 04-10-2018 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 369891)
Any “analysis” from Whell would be laughable. Here’s what The Atlantic has to say. Cohen is in deep doo-doo.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...rouble/557606/

His analysis is completely predictable. What about Hillary?:rolleyes: I starting to believe that Whell is not trying to convince us of the probity of the Trump crime family. He's trying to convince himself as he still can't wrap his head around the fact that he was completely conned by such an obvious grifter.

Rajoo 04-10-2018 09:52 AM

So whell, whatever happened with the Special Counsel that the Grand Old Pricks wanted Mr. Magoo to appoint to investigate Hillary? There is a classic whataboutism that went nowhere. :rolleyes:

whell 04-10-2018 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 369889)
My father was both a criminal attorney and tax attorney and I have extensive training and experience in contract law. [/I]

...and you knew a guy, who had a cousin who had a father in law that had a grandfather who was a WWI pilot of Sopwith Camels, so I'm sure you feel qualified to fly a 747.

finnbow 04-10-2018 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 369894)
...and you knew a guy, who had a cousin who had a father in law that had a grandfather who was a WWI pilot of Sopwith Camels, so I'm sure you feel qualified to fly a 747.

Did you miss that part about my extensive training and experience (~20 years) in contract law? BTW, Stormy's NDA was a contract (or more accurately,it was supposed to have been a contract).

bobabode 04-10-2018 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 369894)
...and you knew a guy, who had a cousin who had a father in law that had a grandfather who was a WWI pilot of Sopwith Camels, so I'm sure you feel qualified to fly a 747.

Don't give up yer day job Whelly because you suck at comedy. :rolleyes:

whell 04-10-2018 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 369891)
Any “analysis” from Whell would be laughable. Here’s what The Atlantic has to say. Cohen is in deep doo-doo.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...rouble/557606/

Serwer is a Mother Jones tool. Here's a slightly more balanced analysis:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...so-far-n864206

According to Department of Justice policy, an application for a search warrant of a lawyer's office such as this is so serious that it usually requires approval of either the U.S. Attorney for the district, or the Assistant Attorney General.

I'm betting Rosenstein had his hands on this one.

finnbow 04-10-2018 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 369897)
Serwer is a Mother Jones tool. Here's a slightly more balanced analysis:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...so-far-n864206

According to Department of Justice policy, an application for a search warrant of a lawyer's office such as this is so serious that it usually requires approval of either the U.S. Attorney for the district, or the Assistant Attorney General.

I'm betting Rosenstein had his hands on this one.

That's Trump appointee Rod Rosenstein, just like the Trump-appointed US Attorney (and Trump campaign contributor) in Manhattan.

You and all the other wingnuts have these crazy conspiracy theories swirling around in your head, whereas Occam's Razor likely governs (i.e., the simplest explanation (Trump and Cohen are crooks) is likely true)).

Chicks 04-10-2018 12:25 PM

Will be dancing a jig if/when the feds go RICO on the Trump crime family. Does anyone (besides the village idiot) really doubt that Trump and Co. have engaged in multiple crimes?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rack...anizations_Act

whell 04-10-2018 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 369898)
That's Trump appointee Rod Rosenstein, just like the Trump-appointed US Attorney (and Trump campaign contributor) in Manhattan.

What difference do you think that makes?

Chicks 04-10-2018 12:53 PM

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bobabode 04-10-2018 12:58 PM

A former Repub strategist lays it all out.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fbi-ra...-life?ref=home

whell 04-10-2018 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 369892)
His analysis is completely predictable. What about Hillary?:rolleyes:

WTF. That's EXACTLY what the left and their friends in the media wanted to do with this subject in 2016:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b01ba68ac35072

The information became public on Tuesday, with the publication of the Trump Foundation’s 2015 tax documents. The Victor Pinchuk Foundation gave $150,000 to the Trump Foundation in fall 2015 ― the only time it did so, according to Thomas Weihe, head of the Victor Pinchuk Foundation’s board.

Pinchuk, a billionaire steel magnate who is a former member of Ukraine’s parliament and son-in-law of a former Ukrainian president, has donated far more generously to Clinton’s foundation, with gifts of $10 and $25 million. According to The New York Times, Pinchuk let the Clintons borrow his private plane, attended former President Bill Clinton’s birthday party in 2011, and met with State Department officials several times while Hillary Clinton ran the agency.


Mueller and company have their nickers in a knot about $150,000. But this same guy gave the Clintons millions.

finnbow 04-10-2018 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 369911)
WTF. That's EXACTLY what the left and their friends in the media wanted to do with this subject in 2016:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b01ba68ac35072

The information became public on Tuesday, with the publication of the Trump Foundation’s 2015 tax documents. The Victor Pinchuk Foundation gave $150,000 to the Trump Foundation in fall 2015 ― the only time it did so, according to Thomas Weihe, head of the Victor Pinchuk Foundation’s board.

Pinchuk, a billionaire steel magnate who is a former member of Ukraine’s parliament and son-in-law of a former Ukrainian president, has donated far more generously to Clinton’s foundation, with gifts of $10 and $25 million. According to The New York Times, Pinchuk let the Clintons borrow his private plane, attended former President Bill Clinton’s birthday party in 2011, and met with State Department officials several times while Hillary Clinton ran the agency.


Mueller and company have their nickers in a knot about $150,000. But this same guy gave the Clintons millions.

You just made my point.

During the campaign, the Trump Foundation received a $150,000 “donation” from a Ukrainian billionaire for a video appearance by Trump. Michael Cohen, unsurprisingly, “solicited the donation.” There are a host of problems here. If this is actually payment for services, it is income for Trump and should have been reported as such. If diverting the money to the foundation was an attempt to evade taxes or banking laws, federal laws may very well have been broken. Federal campaign finance laws may also have been violated if this was in essence a way to help Trump’s campaign. (Foreigners are prevented from donating to a campaign.)...

It makes Hillary Clinton (who at least removed herself from the Clinton Foundation operation and stopped giving paid speeches once she began running) look like a Girl Scout.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...als-for-trump/

bobabode 04-10-2018 01:46 PM

Here we go again with the bullshit zombie contention that the Clintons personally pocketed donations to their charitable foundation.

https://www.charitywatch.org/ratings...foundation/478

Stop lying Whell.

finnbow 04-10-2018 01:53 PM

Trump isn’t someone who played close to the line a time or two, or once did a shady deal. He may well be the single most corrupt major business figure in the United States of America. He ran scams like Trump University to con struggling people out of their money. He lent his name to pyramid schemes. He bankrupted casinos and still somehow made millions while others were left holding the bag. He refused to pay vendors. He exploited foreign workers. He used illegal labor. He discriminated against African American renters. He violated Federal Trade Commission rules on stock purchases. He did business with the mob and with Eastern European kleptocrats. His properties became the go-to vehicle for Russian oligarchs and mobsters to launder their money.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...han-right-now/

Chicks 04-10-2018 03:05 PM

A Brief History of Michael Cohen's Criminal Ties

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...-trump-w518941

JCricket 04-10-2018 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 369908)
A former Repub strategist lays it all out.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fbi-ra...-life?ref=home

From the article
"If Cohen had a lump of coal in his ass the moment those search warrants arrived, he could have popped out a diamond."

I dam near fell out of my chair when I read this.

finnbow 04-10-2018 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCricket (Post 369921)
From the article
"If Cohen had a lump of coal in his ass the moment those search warrants arrived, he could have popped out a diamond."

I dam near fell out of my chair when I read this.

I liked this even better:

Suddenly, Michael Cohen, the bag-walking, dick-swinging swagger-monkey wannabe thug attorney and consigliere for Donald Trump’s far-flung penile enterprises is scared.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fbi-ra...ld-trumps-life

Chicks 04-10-2018 04:44 PM

Today’s 5 Best Quotes From Freaked-Out Trump Sources, Ranked

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...es-ranked.html

5. Source: “Trump’s orbit”
Quote: “There was fear in Trump’s orbit that the president is liable to erupt in anger in coming days, escalating his attacks against Mueller at a time when his attorneys are negotiating a possible interview.”

4. Source: “several people close to Mr. Trump”
Quote: “Mr. Trump’s advisers have spent the last 24 hours trying to convince the president not to make an impulsive decision that could put the president in more legal jeopardy and ignite a controversy that could consume his presidency.”

3. Source: “a Republican close to the White House”
Quote: “He’s sitting there bitching and moaning. He’s brooding and doesn’t have a plan.”

2. Source: “a GOP operative close to the White House”
Quote: “He’s losing his shit,” the operative added. “We’re at a different level now.”

1. Source: “a former White House official”
Quote: “Jesus take the wheel.”

Sleep well, America.

Dondilion 04-11-2018 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 369924)
[B]

2. Source: “a GOP operative close to the White House”
Quote: “He’s losing his shit,” the operative added.

Cher, when asked about her impression of Reagan after meeting him: He has his shit together.

Probably Trump needs to take a look at the Republican hero, uncle Ronny.

Now it is absolutely necessary that the erratic one be kept away from his big nuclear button.

finnbow 04-11-2018 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 369931)
Cher, when asked about her impression of Reagan after meeting him: He has his shit together.

Probably Trump needs to take a look at the Republican hero, uncle Ronny.

Now it is absolutely necessary that the erratic one be kept away from his big nuclear button.

It appears that Trump is being held accountable for the first time in his life and it's freaking the shit out of him.

Oerets 04-11-2018 07:42 AM

This President is the culmination, apex of those who believe lying about your taxes, cheating your partners stiffing employees. Laws or any rules are for others, the stupid. Doing what you want and not being questioned.
This is why he still has supporters and always will. Because of the many who feel enabled, entitled due to perceived superiority or wealth. There by able to do what where when how and to who they want whenever they want.
Much liken to those seeing no problem with the ads running on getting a lawyer so not to pay the IRS what is owed, hiding funds from ex spouse. There are those who relish the thought of getting over and see no shame in this.


Barney

JCricket 04-11-2018 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 369887)
...........



What no one is interested in looking closer at:

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles...-speaking-fees

Hillary Clinton's speaking fees have been the subject of much political debate.

After she resigned as secretary of state, Clinton joined the speaking circuit, raking in millions for paid speeches at about $200,000 a pop.

An investigation from the Associated Press ties those fees to government influence. Of the nearly $22 million Clinton made in fees, most was from groups that had recently lobbied the government.

Hey Whell.
My opinion, if she had won the election then this would have been very thoroughly publicized and looked at. So yeah, there is a disparity in ethical accountability in politics.

Hopefully our next president will be held more accountable before he becomes president!

finnbow 04-12-2018 07:56 PM

The FBI May Have Tapes Cohen Recorded
 
President Trump’s personal attorney Michael D. Cohen sometimes taped conversations with associates, according to three people familiar with his practice, and allies of the president are worried that the recordings were seized by federal investigators in a raid of Cohen’s office and residences this week.

Cohen, who served for a decade as a lawyer at the Trump Organization and is a close confidant of Trump, was known to store the conversations using digital files and then replay them for colleagues, according to people who have interacted with him.

“We heard he had some proclivity to make tapes,” said one Trump adviser, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation. “Now we are wondering, who did he tape? Did he store those someplace where they were actually seized? . . . Did they find his recordings?”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...800_story.html

The Dotard must be freaking the phuck out.:D

bobabode 04-12-2018 08:13 PM

Please, please, please, let there be tapes. :D

finnbow 04-12-2018 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 370023)
Please, please, please, let there be tapes. :D

It would be karma after Trump threatened Comey, tweeting that he had tapes of their "loyalty" conversation.

bobabode 04-16-2018 06:42 PM

"A federal judge dealt a blow to Michael Cohen, the president’s embattled personal lawyer, in a closely watched court decision on Monday afternoon.
Judge Kimba Wood of federal District Court in Manhattan denied an attempt by Cohen and President Trump to stop prosecutors from reviewing the materials that the FBI seized from his office, home and hotel room last week, according to multiple reports." The Hill

http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...re-prosecutors

finnbow 04-16-2018 07:20 PM

In related news:

(CNN) - Another white collar lawyer has turned down the opportunity to represent President Donald Trump, citing an unidentified conflict, as the President struggles to add to the legal team representing him in the special counsel investigation.
People close to Trump contacted New York attorney Steven Molo, a former prosecutor who specializes in white collar defense and court room litigation, in recent weeks following the departure of attorney John Dowd from Trump's personal legal team.


Real lawyers won't touch the Dotard with a 10' pole. He'll need to find another fixer as Cohen will be headed upriver pretty soon.

finnbow 04-16-2018 08:04 PM

http://api.theweek.com/sites/default...resize=807x807


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