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finnbow 07-14-2018 04:40 PM

Are Trump and his Congressional Sycophants Traitors?
 
Trump may deny collusion. But given that this the attack continues, denying it is collusion, distracting from it is collusion, obstructing the investigation of it is collusion — because all these things enable it to go on.

That the president is abetted in his aid for the Russians — again, in the midst of this ongoing attack — by the leadership of the Republican Party makes the situation all the more extraordinary and dangerous. As they seek to undermine the investigation, they serve Russia as directly as if they were officers of the GRU. Some now reportedly seek to impeach Rosenstein on trumped up charges. To attack one of the leaders of our national defense as we are being attacked and to do so to benefit our foreign adversary is textbook treason.

That is strong language. But consider this: If we updated our definitions of war to include cyberwar, then aiding a foreign power engaged in such a war against us would certainly meet the Constitutional definition: “Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.”


https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-wa...xtbook-treason

Isn't it amazing that the Dotard and his GOP minions, who go out of their way to wrap themselves in the flag and patriotism, are actually traitors if one believes that the definition of war in the 21st century includes cyberwarfare?

whell 07-14-2018 05:31 PM

At stake are the results in our 2018 and 2020 elections and the integrity of our political system. This enemy seeks not only to put puppets or weak or deficient leaders in place, it seeks to gain leverage over them as they come to realize they are advertently or not the beneficiaries of the Russian attacks.

Lunacy, but such is par for the course on the left these days.

So, the left wanted to try terrorists in court for the crime of terrorism, hated calling terrorists acts part of the "the war on terror", hated calling terrorists enemy combatants, and wanted to paint them all as lone or rogue actors. For foreign states that practice terror, or support it financially, or when they harrass our warships or take sailors captive, the left didn't want to pick a fight or make war with those countries. With countries like that, we sign nuclear agreements and pay them billions of dollars.

On the other hand, hacking is a crime. It has always been treated as a crime. But since Russia is doing it and its important to maintain the narrative of "collusion" where none exists, some of the left are apparently ready to call it "cyber war" and start at least the next Cold War or possibly a shooting war over it.

Yet, not one election system was hacked, not one vote was changed. One President stated that hacking an election was not possible, but the left wants to forget all about that now that the 2016 election is over.

Sheesh....

Chicks 07-14-2018 05:46 PM

Whell welcomes the Russian hacking with open arms. Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes:

finnbow 07-14-2018 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 373781)
On the other hand, hacking is a crime. It has always been treated as a crime. But since Russia is doing it and its important to maintain the narrative of "collusion" where none exists, some of the left are apparently ready to call it "cyber war" and start at least the next Cold War or possibly a shooting war over it.

Yet, not one election system was hacked, not one vote was changed. One President stated that hacking an election was not possible, but the left wants to forget all about that now that the 2016 election is over.

Sheesh....

As always, you're woefully uninformed. Even your Dear Leader and his DoD agree with me as to the importance of cyberwarfare. Try to keep up.

WASHINGTON -- At the direction of the president, the Defense Department today initiated the process to elevate U.S. Cyber Command to a unified combatant command.

"This new unified combatant command will strengthen our cyberspace operations and create more opportunities to improve our nation’s defense," President Donald J. Trump said in a written statement.


https://www.defense.gov/News/Article...atant-command/

This is an elevation of status of the Cybercom, established within DoD in 2009 to "match and exceed enemies seeking to use the cyber realm to attack the United States and its allies."

The only issue is whether or not the Russian attack on our electoral system (carried out by 13 Russian military officers) is an act of cyberwarfare, defined as "the use of computer technology to disrupt the activities of a state or organization, especially the deliberate attacking of information systems for strategic or military purposes." I (and Mueller) contend that this was an attack by the Russian military in support of Putin's strategic interests. Do you disagree?

The Lying Dotard is the Commander-in-Chief of this and all other agencies tasked to defend against enemy cyberattacks. Are you OK with the Commander-in-Chief denying, obfuscating and trying to obstruct investigations into it? If so, you're a traitor just like he is.

donquixote99 07-14-2018 09:17 PM

This is why it was so vital for the retraitors to gain control of the Supreme Court. The court can block the update of the definition of war to include cyber attacks.

finnbow 07-15-2018 07:09 AM

https://media1.giphy.com/media/79ejEVwFDwUCs/giphy.gif

finnbow 07-15-2018 07:50 AM

HELSINKI — President Trump said in a new interview airing Sunday that he hadn’t thought of pressing Russian President Vladimir Putin on extraditing the dozen Russian officials charged with hacking Democratic emails, while continuing to blame Democrats for the stolen emails that upended the 2016 presidential campaign.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...34e_story.html

finnbow 07-15-2018 11:23 AM

Trump says that the EU is our foe.
 
"I think the European Union is a foe, what they do to us in trade. Now, you wouldn't think of the European Union, but they're a foe..."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-...nki-jeff-glor/

bobabode 07-15-2018 12:05 PM

Are Trump and his Congressional Sycophants Traitors?

Do bears shit in their mouths?

finnbow 07-15-2018 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 373794)
Are Trump and his Congressional Sycophants Traitors?

Do bears shit in their mouths?

Is a pig's ass pork?;)

Rajoo 07-15-2018 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 373781)
At stake are the results in our 2018 and 2020 elections and the integrity of our political system. This enemy seeks not only to put puppets or weak or deficient leaders in place, it seeks to gain leverage over them as they come to realize they are advertently or not the beneficiaries of the Russian attacks.

Lunacy, but such is par for the course on the left these days.

Did you happen to see the Dotard's behavior in Brussels and London?
That was what lunacy looks like, not the 'left's' conception what the Russian interference (using a very mild term) in the US election, which of course Putin knows nothing about and the Dotard absolutely believes him.

More lunacy from a lunatic masquerading on the world stage as the US president whom we all should be ashamed of.

And for all this he has declared that he is now to be acknowledged as more popular than Washington. At what?

finnbow 07-16-2018 07:01 AM

@realDonaldTrump

Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!


So, Trump blames our country and an legally constituted (and successful and informative) investigation for our poor relationship with Russia. This tweet was "liked" by the Russian Foreign Ministry. WTF???

If this is not giving "aid and comfort" to the enemy, what is?

donquixote99 07-16-2018 08:12 AM

Russian troops could land in DC (say, for 'joint maneuvers' that somehow involve them taking up positions protecting the White House), and the sycophants would accept it!

Oerets 07-16-2018 10:13 AM

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“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”



Marcus Tullius Cicero

A couple thousand years ago!

Rajoo 07-16-2018 11:47 AM

^^Amazing excerpt and thanks for sharing.
It really makes one wonder where this is going and how this will end.
What Trump seems to be doing is mortgaging America for personal reasons.

Chicks 07-16-2018 11:53 AM

John O. Brennan
@JohnBrennan
Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of “high crimes & misdemeanors.” It was nothing short of treasonous. Not only were Trump’s comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin. Republican Patriots: Where are you???
8:52 AM · Jul 16, 2018

Chicks 07-16-2018 12:16 PM

Trump, Treasonous Traitor

This is an incredible, unprecedented moment. America is being betrayed by its own president. America is under attack and its president absolutely refuses to defend it.

Simply put, Trump is a traitor and may well be treasonous.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/15/o...ion-putin.html

Chicks 07-16-2018 12:22 PM

Andrew Wortman
@AmoneyResists
Remember after 9/11 when President Bush was so obsessed with making sure we had a good relationship with Al Quaeda and sat down for a one-on-one 90 minute meeting with Osama Bin Ladin? Me neither.
#TreasonSummit

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!

1:30 AM · Jul 16, 2018 from Ronkonkoma, NY

whell 07-16-2018 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 373783)
As always, you're woefully uninformed. Even your Dear Leader and his DoD agree with me as to the importance of cyberwarfare. Try to keep up.

As always, you're changing the subject and arguing a point I didn't make. :rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 373783)
If so, you're a traitor just like he is.

https://i.imgur.com/THVMlLF.png

whell 07-16-2018 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 373788)
HELSINKI — President Trump said in a new interview airing Sunday that he hadn’t thought of pressing Russian President Vladimir Putin on extraditing the dozen Russian officials charged with hacking Democratic emails, while continuing to blame Democrats for the stolen emails that upended the 2016 presidential campaign.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...34e_story.html

Does the US even have an extradition treaty with Russia? If not, there's nothing to "press" Putin about. Protocol would first be to have the Justice Dept and the State Dept work with their Russian counterparts to either come to an non-precedent-setting agreement about the indicted individuals, or work toward an extradition treaty.

finnbow 07-16-2018 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 373826)
As always, you're changing the subject and arguing a point I didn't make. :rolleyes:

Defend the traitorous bastard all you want, you sycophantic fool.

Chicks 07-16-2018 12:39 PM

Even treasonous behavior won’t stop Whell from defending his Dear Leader. Sad.

Chicks 07-16-2018 12:44 PM

‘Shameful,’ ‘disturbing,’ and an 'embarrassment’ — Congress reacts to Trump’s press conference with Putin

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/sh...tin-2018-07-16

Time for action, not words, Congress! Censure the traitor, then impeach his ass.

Chicks 07-16-2018 12:52 PM

This Is the Moment of Truth for Republicans
The GOP can either defend the United States or serve the damaged and defective man who is now its president.

https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...cision/565289/

There are exactly two possible explanations for the shameful performance the world witnessed on Monday, from a serving American president.

Either Donald Trump is flat-out an agent of Russian interests—witting, unwitting, from fear of blackmail, in hope of future deals, out of manly respect for Vladimir Putin, out of gratitude for Russia's help during the election, out of pathetic inability to see beyond his 306 electoral votes—whatever the exact mixture of motives might be, it doesn't really matter.

Or he is so profoundly ignorant, insecure, and narcissistic not to realize that, at every step, he was advancing the line that Putin hoped he would advance, and the line that the American intelligence, defense, and law-enforcement agencies most dreaded.

Conscious tool. Useful idiot. Those are the choices, though both possibly true—the main question is the proportions.

finnbow 07-16-2018 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 373827)
Does the US even have an extradition treaty with Russia? If not, there's nothing to "press" Putin about. Protocol would first be to have the Justice Dept and the State Dept work with their Russian counterparts to either come to an non-precedent-setting agreement about the indicted individuals, or work toward an extradition treaty.

Russia can, at their own discretion, extradite criminals without an extradition treaty (as can we). Rather than even pursue it, your Dear Leader instead threw our country, its allies, and our intelligence services under the bus in Helsinki. Your Dear Leader is a fucking traitor, plain and simple. Impeachment is too good for him.

Chicks 07-16-2018 01:59 PM

Dictionary.com
@Dictionarycom
Patriot: A person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion.

Traitor: A person who commits treason by betraying his or her country.

(link: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/traitor) dictionary.com/browse/traitor

10:03am July 16, 2018

Chicks 07-16-2018 02:04 PM

Quit now, Trump staffers. Save your souls.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...b0b_story.html


By Ruth Marcus
Deputy editorial page editor, columnist
July 16 at 2:46 PM

Everyone who works for President Trump: Quit now. Save your souls. Save your honor, such as it is. Save your reputation, such as it remains. Russia attacked our democracy. Trump has demonstrated repeatedly, and did so again with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Helsinki, that he doesn’t care and won’t defend his country.

If you work for this man and you call yourself a patriot, it is time for you to go.

This may sound excessive, even irresponsible. Indeed, for months I have agonized over the question of public service in the age of Trump.

Of course, as a general matter, it is better to have more grown-ups around Trump, mitigating his worst impulses, providing wisdom born of experience to counter his ignorance and petulance.

But that assessment assumes facts not in evidence: that Trump is educable or containable. Actually, it contravenes the available evidence. There is none that Trump has done anything but what Trump wants to do. Monday’s news conference made that clear.

Chicks 07-16-2018 05:58 PM

Newt Gingrich
@newtgingrich
President Trump must clarify his statements in Helsinki on our intelligence system and Putin. It is the most serious mistake of his presidency and must be corrected—-immediately.
2:15 PM · Jul 16, 2018

————————

Wow. Not too many Repubes more corrupt than this asswipe, but even he is standing up to Traitor Don.

Chicks 07-16-2018 06:10 PM

We just watched a U.S. president acting on behalf of a hostile power
By Max Boot
July 16 at 5:26 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...hostile-power/

President Trump habitually calls the press “the enemy of the people” — a loathsome calumny, redolent of dictatorships, that he repeated on Sunday. In fact, by asking tough questions at Trump’s joint news conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday, reporters once again showed that they are the sentinels of America democracy. If anyone is “the enemy of the people,” it is Trump himself.

Those are words I never thought I would write about an American president — even one as boorish and bigoted as Trump. But after his appalling performance in Helsinki at what CNN’s John King aptly called the “surrender summit,” questions about Trump’s loyalty to the American people will only intensify. Indeed, the question came up at the news conference itself. The Associated Press’s Jonathan Lemire courageously asked “does the Russian government have any compromising material on President Trump or his family?”

Think of how extraordinary — how unprecedented — that moment was. Can you imagine a similar question being asked about any previous U.S. president? I can’t.

Chicks 07-16-2018 08:09 PM

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Chicks 07-17-2018 07:51 AM

Hillary Clinton
@HillaryClinton
Well, now we know.
Hillary Clinton
@HillaryClinton
Great World Cup. Question for President Trump as he meets Putin: Do you know which team you play for?
2:34 PM · Jul 16, 2018

whell 07-17-2018 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 373828)
Defend the traitorous bastard all you want, you sycophantic fool.

I didn't. But you can read my comments any way you want (and you usually do).

finnbow 07-17-2018 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 373858)
I didn't. But you can read my comments any way you want (and you usually do).

Defending Trump is all you do. Nothing more and nothing less.

whell 07-17-2018 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 373834)
Russia can, at their own discretion, extradite criminals without an extradition treaty (as can we). Rather than even pursue it, your Dear Leader instead threw our country, its allies, and our intelligence services under the bus in Helsinki. Your Dear Leader is a fucking traitor, plain and simple. Impeachment is too good for him.

My, my, my. You really ought to check out underwear from Duluth Trading Company. I hear their undies don't bunch like it appears yours do.

As these things usually go, the script for such meetings is typically laid out days if not weeks beforehand. The indictment of the alleged Russian hackers happened Friday. Since the State Dept has likely not had a chance to discuss the matter with their Russian counterparts, why should it have been an agenda item for Trump to discuss with Putin at all (other than to satisfy your paranoia about all things Russian)?

whell 07-17-2018 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 373859)
Defending Trump is all you do. Nothing more and nothing less.

Ah. So in your world, straying from leftist talking points is defending Trump. Got it, and noted for future reference. :rolleyes:

Chicks 07-17-2018 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 373861)
Ah. So in your world, straying from leftist talking points is defending Trump. Got it, and noted for future reference. :rolleyes:

Pretty simple, Whell. Is Donny a traitor who put his own and Russian interests before Americans? Yes or no? No waffling.

finnbow 07-17-2018 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 373860)
My, my, my. You really ought to check out underwear from Duluth Trading Company. I hear their undies don't bunch like it appears yours do.

As these things usually go, the script for such meetings is typically laid out days if not weeks beforehand. The indictment of the alleged Russian hackers happened Friday. Since the State Dept has likely not had a chance to discuss the matter with their Russian counterparts, why should it have been an agenda item for Trump to discuss with Putin at all (other than to satisfy your paranoia about all things Russian)?

And you say that don't reflexively support Traitor Trump? Please. If you're unable to be critical of Trump's appalling behavior in Helsinki, there's simply no hope for you. Once Mueller indicts the extended Trump crime family, you'll still be here singing his praises.

Chicks 07-17-2018 08:23 AM

https://scontent.fhhr1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...02&oe=5BD8A0C6

whell 07-17-2018 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 373863)
And you say that don't reflexively support Traitor Trump? Please. If you're unable to be critical of Trump's appalling behavior in Helsinki, there's simply no hope for you. Once Mueller indicts the extended Trump crime family, you'll still be here singing his praises.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 373864)

Tell you what. I'll agree with you two nitwits that discussing the extradition of the alleged hackers in Russia to face charges in the US for interfering in our elections should be a top priority....just as soon as it becomes a top priority to extradite Obama to Israel for interfering in Israel's elections.

finnbow 07-17-2018 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 373865)
Tell you what. I'll agree with you two nitwits that discussing the extradition of the alleged hackers in Russia to face charges in the US for interfering in our elections should be a top priority....just as soon as it becomes a top priority to extradite Obama to Israel for interfering in Israel's elections.

Last time I checked, it was Bibi who came here in the midst of our campaign to interfere with our election. As for your claim, it's mostly false.

You really are a sycophantic tool, willing to loyally and reflexively accept and defend Trump's treasonous behavior. Shameful.


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