Elon Musk started a price war that Tesla can't win
 

Elon Musk started a price war that Tesla can't win
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon...rategy-2023-11

Is this "genius" all bluster? I won't need a new car until at least 2027 (my cars always last at least 10 years), at which point I hope Toyota's solid state batteries are proven. I'll not be buying a Tesla, ever.

Tesla layoffs an 'ominous sign' for the company, analyst says
A staff layoff of over 10% is an "unfortunately necessary move for Tesla," Wedbush's Dan Ives added.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla...153652031.html

This buffoon's loud mouth has cost him a whole lot of customers.

Just bad mouthing Elon!
What is missing...Americans cannot afford cars/trucks at the prevailing prices.

The American consumer is maxed out. Debt rides the highways.

That is why there is great fear of Chinese going to Mexico to build cars...$16,000 dollar cars.

Henry Ford built cars that the average person could afford. Elon targeted wealthy liberals. Not smart. His Cybertruck is a joke.

A bigger issue is that Tesla once was a niche product, largely bought in the US by wealthy liberals. Now nearly every vehicle manufacturer has multiple EV models and those manufacturers haven't alienated their potential buyers by embracing far-right ideology and conspiracy theories.

As for Mexico, pretty much all the big manufacturers (Ford, GM, Chrysler, Nissan, Volkswagen) have a significant presence there already. And the Tesla's Cybertruck makes one wonder if Elon is still serious about making desirable vehicles.

A fact seemingly not noticed by Elon Musk, who has gone out of his way to piss off wealthy liberals.

I have no delusions that many if not most company CEOs are conservatives, but most have the common sense to keep it somewhat low key.

Being a conservative titan of industry is normal, expected and non-controversial. Being a conspiracy-addled, delusional fanboy of authoritarianism, racism and anti-Semitism while praising Putin (i.e., an outspoken MAGAt) is something else altogether.

Yes, conservative ≠ MAGA wingnut.

There is a battery technology that will be hitting consumer markets sometime within 10 years. It's pretty amazing, but I can't talk about it.

I'm not familiar with Toyota's solid state batteries. It may be similar, or the same thing.

I call bullshit on you having knowledge of future battery technology that is not common knowledge.

The legacy manufacturers cannot sell their cars and trucks.Truck prices were $60k to $90k MSRP. WTF.

For instance Dodge Rams are piling up.
Said manufacturers also were reluctant to build affordable cars. Their desire is to build trucks which have hefty profit margins. However, the economics of the consumer cannot support the prices.
Elon is correct. Prices have to fall


In the meantime Trump and the Biden administration are making big noise about Chinese over capacity and in view of Nafta do not want to see Chinese production in Mexico.

Tesla lost over $700 billion in value since November 2021 and Elon Musk wants $45 billion for his performance as CEO
https://fortune.com/2024/04/18/tesla...n-performance/

Because shareholder value… :rolleyes

The DHS has a quad copter drone the size of a mini van. It looks like the 'landing craft' things in the old Star Trek TV series. Lots of people have seen it.

5' diameter blades spinning 40,000 rpm. Current consumer technology couldn't lift a payload that size, except it's own battery pack.

(talk to yourself on the internet much).

Hi BigElCat,

If your talking about the so called "Graphene" batteries, they are already here....


https://www.azonano.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=6233

All I know is what I saw.

The batteries would lighter in weight (or mass), with the capacity to discharge more current than anything I know about. Like a helium capacitor, or maybe a 'flux capacitor' with a 'delitium crystal', that never melts down.

Science Fiction is going to hit the market.

Verified pro-Nazi X accounts flourish under Elon Musk
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-...nts-rcna145020

Elon's World.

I have to wonder what PC member, Peace4Love, thinks about all this.

Does he still want a USAF drone base in Tunisia ?

I bought my Tesla in January of 2018 and have been following battery technology innovations and there are several afoot. Some of the key criteria are weight, charging times and fire danger. Solid state Lithium batteries can help with the fire danger and weight, but this is progressing a lot slower than I would have anticipated. The one I like the most is a liquid electrolyte where the spent electrolyte can be discharged in charging stations and filled up with a fresh charge somewhat akin to filling gasoline in cars.

We are at the beginning stages of this technology but fortunately there is worldwide interest in EV's while the US lags in adopting this technology except in autonomous vehicles and long haul trucks. There the technology is moving at a very rapid pace.

Rotor blades can't go 40,000 rpm. They loose thrust efficiency as the they go supersonic. They would also make continuous sonic booms that would incapacitate unprotected persons in a wide area. Of course, I suppose that's the main goal, eh? Here's wikipedia on an early experiment with a supersonic propeller aircraft. Note that the propeller was supersonic, but the plane wasn't.... Republic XF-84H Thunderscreech

My stated diameter was a questimation, they where at least 4' in diameter. I could not see the actual blades, only a halo at the circumference, like maybe each had a rim or hoop around it. They were not silent, but surprisingly quiet.

It made noise just like a normal RC quadcopter, except the sound had more 'energy' to it. No down draft came off of it that I noticed. It was about 20 to 25 feet off the ground, about 70 feet from where I was sitting.

My assumption that it belong to the DHS is also just that; an assumption based on conjecture and hearsay (over-heard from other people talking about their sightings of the drone). And a published report that the DHS had been conducting flood plane mapping for insurance purposes in our area.

OK, I'll buy 40,000 rpm for a turbine, but geared way down for the rotors. You were not seeing (and in particular not hearing) a thing with supersonic rotors.

It apparently had four electric motors to spin the props, on arms that were proportionally shorter than small scale quad copters.

The body (I guess you'd call it a fuselage) looked like this, except it had no side pods, only landings skids like helicopter. No windows, just four port holes in the lower front facing skin.

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The rotors would have been spinning with the tips, or hoops, going at sub-sonic speeds.

I brought it up, because it must have had some kind of ultra light weight, high discharge, battery with pretty good range. It wasn't designed for forward speed, or a low drag co-efficient.

OK. what had me going is that 40,000 rpm number. What you describe now would have nothing going any where near 40,000 rom.

Tesla says profits fell 55 percent in the first quarter to $1.13 billion while revenue declined 9 percent.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/techn...nings-outlook/

Bah ! One has to take what I say with a 'grain of salt'.

When folks talk about money, 40M is $40,000, not 40 million. (and this supports my argument somehow)

Guess I was talkin' about metric RPM. It made a 'whirr' noise. (grin) Minimal down draft, lots of lift.

Everywhere I looked, $40M is 40 Million dollars. If its $40,000 usually designated as $40K.

Also as to high rpm motors, we have a CNC that is capable of 40,000 rpm but we don't run it over 15K rpm because, at higher rpm's the torque (force required to shear metal) is greatly diminished. Also familiar with 80K rpm motors, but they are small and usually pneumatic because an air blanket is used as a bearing (no metal to metal contact and the air needs to be expunged anyway).

As to rotors capable of lift, making a bearing to handle the thrust and vibration will be a far bigger challenge.

Apropos of the forums audio roots, has anyone ever made a turntable with a pneumatic motor? Ir occurred to me a long time ago that that approach might offer opportunities to isolate the device fron the tiniest of vibrations.

Glad you asked and here is one, but way out of my league at $8K+ but really not that pricey as high end TT's go. I heard a $50K table once, I bought a pair of ProAc speakers from him and the wood work (plinth) alone was simply out of this world, perhaps one of a kind.

I had borrowed a $15K VPI Avenger ($26K now) for a long time (years) from a close friend, so this sounds downright reasonable.

It does not take a lot of air flow to make an air bearing as long as the mass is low enough to float, but the machining can be a nightmare.

https://holbo.si/

https://theaudiophileman.com/holbo-a...system-review/

FWIW...M is the Roman numeral for 1,000.

Financiers use MM to denote a million, or so I was told.

I do remember that in doing budgets back in the 70's and 80's which was before advent of PC's. Sometime later it went Metric (grin). K for Kilo (thousand) and M for Mega (Million).

In my long ago, M was millions, and thousands were just false precision after the decimal point, as in $29.208M.

^^I looked this up. "M" is a million and so is "MM", supposedly representing thousand thousand, but the logic defies me.

LOL.

We probably have nano accounting these days, to go along with our fiat currencies. Decimal places too small to be seen with the naked eye.

As much as I like physical currencies, I think we should round everything off to the nearest dollar, do away with coins.

Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claims
The Justice Department is examining whether Tesla misled consumers, investors, and regulators about its promises for fully autonomous vehicles.
https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/8/24...d-self-driving

Elon the Con.

Agree. Coins now too low in value to be worth the trouble to spend them.

Tesla strike in Sweden heats up as nation's largest union joins fray
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla...120242528.html

The Nordic countries are the happiest in the world, but also among the most productive, despite (or more likely because of) strong unions and social democratic governments. Repubes must really hate them.