A Racist's Lament

[Rex E.]

Originally Posted by Zeke

It's the same reason serfs remained loyal to the King: the alternative is much worse.

I mean, it's not that folks enjoy being social peasants but starvation is unlikely and you'll probably have heat.

The flip side promises nothing...

This I get also as part of the "big" reasons stated above.

I guess what I'm getting at is all the good liberals are actually racist pieces of shit hiding behind the liberal moniker and everyone just goes along with it. Otherwise places like the City Of St. Louis should be a thriving metropolis full of well educated people living in harmony as it's been under solid liberal control on the fed, state and local level for decades now.

Reality is it's the murder capital of the country and possible the world and the school systems have been under federal control (not any better than local really) on and off for decades as well.

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by Brett A

Well, that's your failure. I can't own that.

If you watched that interview and you still don't understand it you could look further into it. History is there. The question is why are the inner city filled with impoverished minorities?

But somehow I think these questions are only going to fall on numb ears. Seems perhaps you've made a strong commitment to ignorance some time ago. --and it looks like it's working pretty good for you.

Jesus Christ, I'm surrounded by a bunch of aging stoners.

Oh yes, only the self-enlightened liberals are not ignorant. Unlike my friends on the left, I at least maintain a possibility of being wrong whereas the supposedly tolerant left rarely does. Let's see, I've been called a racist, ignorant, and dumb for my unwillingness to bow my head to liberal goals and gods. BTW, there ain't a big difference in the goals of the liberal elites and their counterparts on the oppposite side.

This thread started on a Pat Buchanan article attacking his own party for the lack of being more racially inclusive. Though Buchanan has made overt racist statements before, I saw none in this particular article unless one wants to read a lot more into it than what is there. I have a question: Is it necessarily wrong to promote one so-called race, or more generally, class, over another?

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by bhunter

I have a question: Is it necessarily wrong to promote one so-called race, or more generally, class, over another?

That depends upon what you mean by "promote."

There are all sorts of American Indian "save the culture" groups and the Bureau of Indian Affairs does have a Native Preference hiring authority but there's no concentrated effort to fuck over whitey.

[Brett A]

Originally Posted by bhunter

Jesus Christ, I'm surrounded by a bunch of aging stoners.

Oh yes, only the self-enlightened liberals are not ignorant.

Name calling? that's all you have to offer?

i don't know where your mind is getting all that crap about the pollitical goals of one "side" or the other.

i've got another name you can add to your list of things you've been called; poorly socialized.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Rex E.

This I get also as part of the "big" reasons stated above.

I guess what I'm getting at is all the good liberals are actually racist pieces of shit hiding behind the liberal moniker and everyone just goes along with it. Otherwise places like the City Of St. Louis should be a thriving metropolis full of well educated people living in harmony as it's been under solid liberal control on the fed, state and local level for decades now.

Reality is it's the murder capital of the country and possible the world and the school systems have been under federal control (not any better than local really) on and off for decades as well.

It is not the liberals who run all the businesses. The minorities live as they do because they have a hard time finding work. Predjudice? Lack of training? Who knows. I do know that I find the whining by businessmen about not being able to find people with the right training a crock. Hire someone with the abilities and train them - you will have a loyal employee for life. But it is so much easier to sit and whine.

[Brett A]

I have a question: Is it necessarily wrong to promote one so-called race, or more generally, class, over another?

I think it is wrong (or at least misguided), assuming that by "promote" you're talking about giving preference to.

I see the effort is to dismantle the race-based institutional constructs And I appreciate your using the term "so-called race" b/c race is, after all, a societal construct imposed for the economic advantage of white people. At least if you belive what is seen in recorded history.

What I am committed to doing is recognising where racism still exsists, both internally and externally and reassessing the what and why of it.

Beyond that, it's a very complex matter---more than I care to write about here on my phone.

I'll just say that people want to be seen. I think what is needed at this time is for more people to see race, seeing it is important, then we can choose how to react to it.

[piece-itpete]

So Brett, where does Obama fit into this worldview?

Originally Posted by bhunter

I was once a misguided college lefty right in the heart of Berkeley. I even marched with signs denigrating President Reagan.

See? Steeped, I tells ya

Pete

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by Brett A

I think it is wrong (or at least misguided), assuming that by "promote" you're talking about giving preference to.

I see the effort is to dismantle the race-based institutional constructs And I appreciate your using the term "so-called race" b/c race is, after all, a societal construct imposed for the economic advantage of white people. At least if you belive what is seen in recorded history.

What I am committed to doing is recognising where racism still exsists, both internally and externally and reassessing the what and why of it.

Beyond that, it's a very complex matter---more than I care to write about here on my phone.

I'll just say that people want to be seen. I think what is needed at this time is for more people to see race, seeing it is important, then we can choose how to react to it.

And I thought the objective was a society where race is not seen in one's interactions with others—being, as been said, essentially color blind. In today's society, I disaqgree that race is a societal construct created for the economic advantage of white people. Who created this construct or is this some sociologists in hindsight conjuring up a plauisible explanation for the current plight of black people. Why not look at altering the far more significant impact of current inner city black culture?

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

So Brett, where does Obama fit into this worldview?



See? Steeped, I tells ya

Pete

Next I'll hear: "But you can't possibly understand because you're not black." Black people are kiling one another and that's the result of racism and the vestige of slavery?

[piece-itpete]

Well yes. The line is, black areas, best case we don't care, worst case we actively encourage it.

Pete