I've decided on my Presidential vote and it is ...

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Don't look now-there's a Dream kid wanting your tax dollars to go to college. His parents named him after Che Guevarra.

I'll take every immigrant if we could just manage to get the white liberals to move to Texas. California's problems have more to do with the left's control of Sacramento than it does with illegal aliens coming from Oaxaca.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by bhunter

The socio-economic polarization that is in the difference between the wealthy, usually liberal leaning, metropolitan areas and the relatively poor inland agricultural areas and the inner cities. I feel eventually California will degrade to a state even more polarized than it already is. Given the current demographic trends, there really is no alternative. Of course, you and I reside in right leaning San Diego that still offers a good living with its biotech and engineering, but I still miss the large defense companies that fled to other states after the 1980s.

Shared prosperity blurs the lines between the strata. People polarize the most when they are broke and hungry and watch others walk away with the loot.

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Shared prosperity blurs the lines between the strata. People polarize the most when they are broke and hungry and watch others walk away with the loot.

And that is exactly why business ought to be promoted and not looked upon as evil. I always find it odd that those same white liberals that demonize Mobil-Exxon are utterly in love with Apple. I guess sometimes appearance and homage to a pseudo-cause trumps all.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by bhunter

And that is exactly why business ought to be promoted and not looked upon as evil. I always find it odd that those same white liberals that demonize Mobil-Exxon are utterly in love with Apple. I guess sometimes appearance and homage to a pseudo-cause trumps all.

You might notice that a lot more thinking people are now scrutinizing Apple's operations closely. I have never owned an Apple product. Frankly, I am naturally suspicious about anyone who exercises that much market power.

Regards,

D-Ray

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by bhunter

And that is exactly why business ought to be promoted and not looked upon as evil. I always find it odd that those same white liberals that demonize Mobil-Exxon are utterly in love with Apple. I guess sometimes appearance and homage to a pseudo-cause trumps all.

It's also why more businesses should actually engage in shared prosperity---lest they be perceived as "evil". A modicum of loyalty to this country and it's workforce would be really nice as well.

I believe I have posted my thoughts at some length on this notion of the "evil" corporation on more than one occasion. I do not perceive them as evil, I simply recognize their nature as profit chasing entities. If we encourage them to have no conscience, (As is evident in Randian Objectivism), there will be nothing but trouble to come from it, IMHO.

Regards,
Dave

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

It's also why more businesses should actually engage in shared prosperity---lest they be perceived as "evil". A modicum of loyalty to this country and it's workforce would be really nice as well.

I believe I have posted my thoughts at some length on this notion of the "evil" corporation on more than one occasion. I do not perceive them as evil, I simply recognize their nature as profit chasing entities. If we encourage them to have no conscience, (As is evident in Randian Objectivism), there will be nothing but trouble to come from it, IMHO.

Regards,
Dave

I actually like the concept of employee owned companies or companies that offer good profit sharing plans. I have little use for the professonal manager types that jump across industries or even within a given industry.

Here's a list:
http://www.nceo.org/articles/employee-ownership-100

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

You might notice that a lot more thinking people are now scrutinizing Apple's operations closely. I have never owned an Apple product. Frankly, I am naturally suspicious about anyone who exercises that much market power.

Regards,

D-Ray

That is true. I like Apple products and currently have several; however, they cost too much IMO, but like McIntosh retain their value better than the generic pc. I'm interested in reading the coming Apple Samsung legal battle. I also hope Google gets involved. I did see a piece that noted that the U.S. was the only place Apple won. Our intellectual property laws are archaic wrt just about everywhere else.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by bhunter

I actually like the concept of employee owned companies or companies that offer good profit sharing plans. I have little use for the professonal manager types that jump across industries or even within a given industry.

Here's a list:
http://www.nceo.org/articles/employee-ownership-100

Yeah, but is an "employee owned company" ever really employee owned? Somehow, I doubt it. I think they throw you a bone with a little comapny stock and feed you lip service to make you think you're a partner. But, barge into a board meeting and watch what happens.


My employer had created a fairly good incentive program. Problem is, they won't leave it alone. They keep changing it around, making it more and more complex and confusing. (And, less rewarding.) The last thing they added was a lottery of sorts. Wherein, if we meet certain goals they will pull a name out of a bag and that person gets a $50 gift certificate..........

Meh, who cares.

Dave

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Yeah, but is an "employee owned company" ever really employee owned? Somehow, I doubt it. I think they throw you a bone with a little comapny stock and feed you lip service to make you think you're a partner. But, barge into a board meeting and watch what happens.


My employer had created a fairly good incentive program. Problem is, they won't leave it alone. They keep changing it around, making it more and more complex and confusing. (And, less rewarding.) The last thing they added was a lottery of sorts. Wherein, if we meet certain goals they will pull a name out of a bag and that person gets a $50 gift certificate..........

Meh, who cares.

Dave

And the folks who buy lottery tickets vote Republican, because they are going to get rich some day.

Regards,

D-Ray