Gun control brainstorming?

[icenine]

There is no solution to the problem. Americans are never going to give up their weapons. It is too ingrained in our culture. If I could wave my magic wand I would make revolvers and pistols controlled, and allow of course rifles and shotguns for the normal everyday person who likes to shoot and go hunting. Automatic and semi automatic weapons would be illegal except for the police and Armed Forces.

Of course a person would still be able to massacre people with a rifle but at least the weapon would not be concealed so everyone has more of a heads up.

The fact remains anyone can do a three day waiting test, purchase a weapon, and kill anyone they want. The police are not clairvoyant. They only clean up the mess afterwards.

Congress will not even deal with the debt ceiling so anyone who is worried about new gun legislation should rest easy.

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by icenine

The fact remains anyone can do a three day waiting test, purchase a weapon, and kill anyone they want. The police are not clairvoyant. They only clean up the mess afterwards.

Congress will not even deal with the debt ceiling so anyone who is worried about new gun legislation should rest easy.

But that won't stop an asshole like Bloomberg, or Limbaugh for that matter, from politicizing the work of a lone nut case. The culture of violence put forth and wrongly idolized by the same vehemently antigun zealots, Hollywood, is more responisble than access to firearms. Also, in the Sandy Brook case, the guns, by most reports, belonged to the mother and were legally obtained by a presumably sane person. Legalizing drugs, thus lowering gang activity, would likely decrease firearm homicides more than restricting gun availability and would have the side benefit of actually increasing individual choice and freedom.

[mpholland]

Originally Posted by bhunter

But that won't stop an asshole like Bloomberg, or Limbaugh for that matter, from politicizing the work of a lone nut case. The culture of violence put forth and wrongly idolized by the same vehemently antigun zealots, Hollywood, is more responisble than access to firearms. Also, in the Sandy Brook case, the guns, by most reports, belonged to the mother and were legally obtained by a presumably sane person. Legalizing drugs, thus lowering gang activity, would likely decrease firearm homicides more than restricting gun availability and would have the side benefit of actually increasing individual choice and freedom.

So we should censor Hollywood and free speech/expression and legalize drugs to keep people from killing each other? There's an avenue I didn't foresee.

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by mpholland

So we should censor Hollywood and free speech/expression and legalize drugs to keep people from killing each other? There's an avenue I didn't foresee.

Glamorization of violence together with the relatively recent trend towards instant celebrity brought by technology is somewhat different than the notion of free speech and expression for political purposes IMHO. I think most violence here is caused by either gang violence or by those seeking to pay for drugs. The so-called war on drugs has been a failure and a different solution needs to be found. I tend to look at overall rates and massacres, like Sandy Brook, I don't feel can be prevented regardless of laws or restrictions.

[bhunter]

I found the following summary on rampage shooting research. The research is rather limited because of the lack of subjects to study.

http://journalistsresource.org/studi...search-roundup

[icenine]

Originally Posted by bhunter

But that won't stop an asshole like Bloomberg, or Limbaugh for that matter, from politicizing the work of a lone nut case. The culture of violence put forth and wrongly idolized by the same vehemently antigun zealots, Hollywood, is more responisble than access to firearms. Also, in the Sandy Brook case, the guns, by most reports, belonged to the mother and were legally obtained by a presumably sane person. Legalizing drugs, thus lowering gang activity, would likely decrease firearm homicides more than restricting gun availability and would have the side benefit of actually increasing individual choice and freedom.

Japanese movies,tv and comics are much more violent than Hollywood...have you seen some of the Manga(?) books? Yet the murder rate by handgun is very very miniscule. Your argument is a spurious correlation.

[BlueStreak]

Not saying this necessarily applies to you, but;

If one feels that he doesn't have too many, or what he has isn't over the top, then, therefore, he doesn't and it isn't?

Interesting comment from a philosophical standpoint.
"I don't feel as though I have engaged in excess, therefore I haven't."

Oh, and what you said about guns and cars.....

I believe it's the badass factor, that could be applied to a number of things;
Powerful guns, fast cars, women with huge bazongas, big speakers and powerful amps.
Pick your poison, one, some or all.

Regards,
Dave

[mpholland]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Not saying this necessarily applies to you, but;

If one feels that he doesn't have too many, or what he has isn't over the top, then, therefore, he doesn't and it isn't?

Interesting comment from a philosophical standpoint.
"I don't feel as though I have engaged in excess, therefore I haven't."

Oh, and what you said about guns and cars.....

I believe it's the badass factor, that could be applied to a number of things;
Powerful guns, fast cars, girlfriend with huge bazongas, big speakers and powerful amps.
Pick your poison, one, some or all.

Regards,
Dave

Funny the context you put that in. I do feel I have too much audio equipment. A Thorens TD145 and a RekOKut R33 with an Empire 98 arm. Gotta have one for MM and one for MC, right? Kind of like using a small caliber for cheap plinking with pop cans or teaching a kid to shoot, but also having a large caliber for defense and maybe shooting a gallon jug full of water.

[Bigerik]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Not saying this necessarily applies to you, but;

If one feels that he doesn't have too many, or what he has isn't over the top, then, therefore, he doesn't and it isn't?

Interesting comment from a philosophical standpoint.
"I don't feel as though I have engaged in excess, therefore I haven't."

Oh, and what you said about guns and cars.....

I believe it's the badass factor, that could be applied to a number of things;
Powerful guns, fast cars, women with huge bazongas, big speakers and powerful amps.
Pick your poison, one, some or all.

Regards,
Dave

Pop quiz. Which one of the above is designed to kill?

[mpholland]

I think one of the problematic areas with implementing/reforming gun control is the fact that there are so many guns out there now. Had the laws been in place for generations, there wouldn't be the abundance of guns available. With the amount of guns out there right now, we will have to leave provisions in place for continued personal protection from the criminal/mentally ill element of the population that is already in possession of them.