10 worst used vehicle

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Bigerik

20 years is an awful long times, and things change. In that time, Honda went from best engineered cars in the industry, to just another appliance maker.

Btw, you didn't give the US auto industry a try. You gave Jeep a try. The US auto industry produced tens on millions of cars and trucks since then that shared no parts with that Jeep of yours.

BTW - Actually when I bought the Jeep, I gave Chrysler a try.

But nevermind that. Y'know what...US automakers put out crap for 30 years, maybe more while the Europeans and Japanese were making nice reliable vehicles, and in the case of Japanese cars, for no more money. And the US makers they knew they were selling crap. I remember hearing a former Chrysler exec in an NPR interview just come out and say, "We got in trouble because the US car industry didn't make very good cars in the 70's and 80's." All the while, anybody who bought a foreign car had to listen to the, "Out of work? Eat your Jap car." bullshit.

But in the 90's things were supposedly getting better so we gave it a shot. Never again.

When we got rid of the Grand Cherokee, we still wanted a mid-sized SUV and bought a '99 Lexus RX-300. It was less money than a comparable new Jeep, and it was the best car we ever owned. The only reason we're not still driving it is that it had almost a quarter of a million miles on it and we decided that with the price of gas we'd give the Toyota hybrid-synergy group a try. The Highlander hybrid we bought three years ago is probably the second best car we've ever owned.

We are interested in the Tesla's though. We'll see how they do over the next couple of years...and if it's good, maybe we'll go back to a US car company again.

[piece-itpete]

I like quite a few imports, but won't buy them. Sometimes you have to sacrifice to support your local Union

Pete

[Ike Bana]

Uh...OK, then.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

I like quite a few imports, but won't buy them. Sometimes you have to sacrifice to support your local Union

Pete

Pete, at least Ike is straight forward, forthright with his point of view.

Yours?

[piece-itpete]

I'm uncertain of the question :unsure: It seems valid that in a car discussion someone, anyone, should say buy American. My apologies if it can be uncomfortable. I have had friends & family in the UAW.

Pete

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

I'm uncertain of the question :unsure: It seems valid that in a car discussion someone, anyone, should say buy American. My apologies if it can be uncomfortable. I have had friends & family in the UAW.

Pete

FWIW, lots of Toyotas and Hondas are American-made, as are BMW and Mercedes.

[Dondilion]

My apology Sir. Now I am certain you are not messing with unions.

[piece-itpete]

The Asian cos are not UAW, at least the last I checked. Are any of the domestic German plants (I don't know)? In both cases the profit goes out of country.

Pete

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

The Asian cos are not UAW, at least the last I checked. Are any of the domestic German plants (I don't know)? In both cases the profit goes out of country.

Pete

Nope, they all set up in the south in an effort not to deal with the UAW (Greenville, SC for BMW and Tuscaloosa, AL for Daimler). I'm not too concerned about the profit leaving the country. The cumulative wages/salaries/benefits far exceed the amount of profit sent overseas. Besides, nothing is stopping you from buying BMW or Daimler stock to help keep some of the profit here.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

I'm uncertain of the question :unsure: It seems valid that in a car discussion someone, anyone, should say buy American. My apologies if it can be uncomfortable. I have had friends & family in the UAW.

Pete

OK Pete...but are you a union man or just a UAW man? I'm curious if you own any pants that aren't union shop made pants?