Nfl ?

[ZeroJunk]

The players have a right to kneel. The owners have a right to fire them. The fans have a right to quit going to the games. Buyers have a right to stop buying stuff from NFL advertisers.

There is no scenario where the NFL players don't lose. And, there is no scenario where anything is gained from it.

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[finnbow]

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk

The players have a right to kneel. The owners have a right to fire them. The fans have a right to quit going to the games. Buyers have a right to stop buying stuff from NFL advertisers.

All true, but it misses the central point. Your Dear Leader chose to intervene in the player-management relationship of a private business and, in doing so, threatened the livelihood of players while calling them SOB's. In effect, a fellow who sympathizes with White Supremacists challenged their manhood, integrity and livelihoods and they did what they felt they had to do in response to this provocation, resulting in a 2000% increase in the number of players taking a knee.

[Pio1980]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ushpmg00000009

[Pio1980]

It's not about patriotism -- it's a distress signal

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/14/opinio...ion/index.html

[icenine]

Always be cautious around people who constantly pronounce their patriotism from the mountain top. They are always the first to suggest that you should storm the machine gun nest first.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

What puzzles me is why people like you choose to get upset over a guy silently taking a knee.

Originally Posted by MrPots

It's about whatever you want it to be about since you don't like it? You're not the one kneeling, so you DON'T get to decide what it's about.

For folks like Finn and Pots who still haven't figured out what this is really all about (and, because they can't figure it our, they resort to their usual rants), looks like the NFL owners are starting to see the light.

NFL Owners Reportedly Taking Serious Notice Of Falling TV Ratings

BOSTON (CBS) — For most of the 2016 season, the NFL largely blamed the U.S. presidential election for a decline in TV ratings. But with the league’s numbers down another 7.5 percent so far in 2017, amid a growing backlash to players’ national anthem protests, the owners are finally taking the ratings decline seriously.

Due to the ratings figures and the owners’ reaction to them, Breer deduced that recent comments made by Cowboys owner Jerry Jones – which threatened to punish players who do not stand during the national anthem – were actually meant to connect with disgruntled TV viewers, those who are deciding to tune out the NFL in response to players’ decisions to kneel or otherwise protest during the anthem.

...more...

Twenty-five of 31 NFL teams (excluding the Chargers) are experiencing local declines in ratings, including an 8 percent drop for the Patriots, 7 percent for the Cowboys, and 6 percent for the Steelers.

The figures presented to the owners on Tuesday and Wednesday are one of the biggest signs yet that the NFL is losing viewers at a rate that goes beyond simple cord-cutting, or even a diminished on-field product. That owners chose to take serious notice of the ratings drop this week, during a meeting that was supposed to be about giving the players a chance to address social issues and their related protests, speaks volumes about how the ongoing controversy is affecting their viewership.

Now, those kind of numbers are significant. And if you think that the folk who - as Finn put it - are "people like me", you're fooling yourselves. You might want to rethink this.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

For folks like Finn and Pots who still haven't figured out what this is really all about (and, because they can't figure it our, they resort to their usual rants), looks like the NFL owners are starting to see the light...
Now, those kind of numbers are significant. And if you think that the folk who - as Finn put it - are "people like me", you're fooling yourselves. You might want to rethink this.

I recognize full well that millions of Americans have allowed themselves to be manipulated by an amoral, narcissistic buffoon. My question to you was why you (and those like you) allow yourself to be so cynically manipulated by such an obvious con.

As for the NFL, Hall-of-Famer Steve Young attributed the NFL's sagging viewership to have come from three factors - millennials being more interested in fantasy football than allegiance to their closest team, the CTE problem/cover-up, and the anthem protests. Personally, I could care less about the NFL's viewership numbers. As long as New England, Dallas and Pittsburgh suffer the worst, I'm OK with it.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by finnbow

As long as New England, Dallas and Pittsburgh suffer the worst, I'm OK with it.

Please add the 49'er to that list despite their lack of wins.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I recognize full well that millions of Americans have allowed themselves to be manipulated by an amoral, narcissistic buffoon. My question to you was why you (and those like you) allow yourself to be so cynically manipulated by such an obvious con.

Your question is idiotic, and I think you're the one being conned. Trump wasn't president when CK first sat down, then later took a knee, during the anthem, and fans' negative reactions were loud and clear back then. To suggest that this is all a con perpetuated by Trump is at best naive, and at worst disingenuous.