HELP: Avoiding taxes and escaping the system

[BlueStreak]

Part timers don't pay taxes in England? At all? They do here.

Here, we have people who do just as you described...We call them "homeless". Older terms would be "vagrant" or "bum".

Anyhow, as a "Great Indoorsman" who must have electricity to run my telly, stereo, a/c, computer and refridgerator, I must state that I think your idea sucks. I would never do it. I hate "roughing it". Screw that, I'll just continue to work, pay my taxes and fall asleep in my recliner watching "The Colbert Report".

Dave

[CarlV]

Go to Berkeley, they have a resources guide at the main library. Through charitable doings you can get 1 to 2 hot meals served a day, a couple places to shower with supplied soaps and towels, cops won't mess with you up by the college in the commercial areas to sleep and there are "sleep shelters" too. There are still Vietnam Vets there doing just that, panhandling is very good especially if you take BART over to Market St. in SF.

Carl

[Brother_Karl]

Some of you guys seem to think that I live in the Americas. I dont. I live on a European island which has very mild weather and non-dangerous wildlife. I also am NOT going to be in the middle of nowhere. I am going to a area above a town which has public places with free running water, free public toilets, a free library and shops.

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Part timers don't pay taxes in England? At all? They do here.

I work part time now and I dont get taxed.

[merrylander]

Last time I saw the news there was a considerable amount of snow on the sceptered isle.

[CarlV]

http://weather.yahoo.com/united-stat...eley-12797420/

What's snow?


Carl

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Brother_Karl

Some of you guys seem to think that I live in the Americas. I dont. I live on a European island which has very mild weather and non-dangerous wildlife. I also am NOT going to be in the middle of nowhere. I am going to a area above a town which has public places with free running water, free public toilets, a free library and shops.



I work part time now and I dont get taxed.

Nothing is "free". The English taxpayer bought those toilets, libraries, etc., etc... And, if you use them without doing your part to help pay for them, what does that make you? Do you think your fellow Englishmen who work hard and pay their taxes would appreciate that?

Not trying to be adversarial, just offering you some "food for thought".

Dave

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Brother_Karl

Some of you guys seem to think that I live in the Americas. I dont. I live on a European island which has very mild weather and non-dangerous wildlife. I also am NOT going to be in the middle of nowhere. I am going to a area above a town which has public places with free running water, free public toilets, a free library and shops.

You'll be a real hit at the pubs.

I can't help but remark on the irony of "escaping the system" while remaining close to publically funded running water, toilets, libraries and shops. As Dave noted, what you describing is considered by many (or most) people a vagrant, something that most don't consider admirable or desirable.

FWIW, while travelling through the UK with my girlfriend years ago, we dropped in her eccentric uncle's place at Freathy Cliff in Cornwall. He was off the grid, using windpower to charge a battery bank in his cliffside abode high above the ocean. All of his essentials (stereo, TV, lighting, etc.) were battery powered and I think he used propane for cooking. He had amazing ingenuity and had quite a comfortable existence.

I'm with Chas. Save some money, buy a small plot of land and build a cabin. Unless you have the requisite skills/experience, you won't last but a couple of miserable, rainsoaked weeks in your tent.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by finnbow

You'll be a real hit at the pubs.

I can't help but remark on the irony of "escaping the system" while remaining close to publically funded running water, toilets, libraries and shops. As Dave noted, what you describing is considered by many (or most) people a vagrant, something that most don't consider admirable or desirable.

FWIW, while travelling through the UK with my girlfriend years ago, we dropped in her eccentric uncle's place at Freathy Cliff in Cornwall. He was off the grid, using windpower to charge a battery bank in his cliffside abode high above the ocean. All of his essentials (stereo, TV, lighting, etc.) were battery powered and I think he used propane for cooking. He had amazing ingenuity and had quite a comfortable existence.

I'm with Chas. Save some money, buy a small plot of land and build a cabin. Unless you have the requisite skills/experience, you won't last but a couple of miserable, rainsoaked weeks in your tent.

Done right, a cabin could be pretty comfortable. Having the capacity to live off grid would be nice, but I'd still run electricity if I could. You're buying watts, just set yourself up so you don't buy many of them.

Even the local Black Hats have electricity, at least in the barn.

Don't guess there's chiggers in England?

Chas

[CarlV]

Originally Posted by Brother_Karl

Some of you guys seem to think that I live in the Americas. I dont. I live on a European island which has very mild weather and non-dangerous wildlife. I also am NOT going to be in the middle of nowhere. I am going to a area above a town which has public places with free running water, free public toilets, a free library and shops.



I work part time now and I dont get taxed.

Unfortunately I haven't been to Europe so I can't tell you about where you live but I can tell you about where I live. And it is doable if you so choose. You can also do the sleeping under freeways like the hardcore driuggies. They seem to do ok too.


Carl

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Here, we have people who do just as you described...We call them "homeless". Older terms would be "vagrant" or "bum".

An older term would be Pinoeer or Explorer.

It's a quandry. Thre's really no where left on Earth you can live like humans lived for hundreds of thousands of years. Not that I would choose to. But we're suposed to be all "free" and stuff. Yet, as noone said, we're compelled to live in a Capitalistic system. We're not "free" to say otherwise unless we're willing to live pretty badly, as parasites on socieity.

Not sure where you live, but in Europe, at least you would probably get single payer health care. And here in the U.S., living in the park, or anywhere else you don't pay for, is illegal. But you can get your health care down at the emergency room with the other illegals.

Decisions have been made that we have no say in and we have to do things the way people who came before us decided was going to be the only way. Here in America we used to have a system that let people stop working at some point before they die, but we're trying real hard to get rid of that now and replacing it with a new retirement plan. We call it "become independantly wealthy". Oh, and don't get sick. Otherwise, just work and make us money, then have the decency to die quickly and quietly at a reasonable age so society doesn't have to drag you along.

Capitalism American style really is becoming “contribute to the greater good we call ‘the economy’ for as long as you can then die”. If you think about it, it’s kinda more Socialist than Socialism. Only drawback is everyone contributes but only a few benefit.

Freedom my brothers! That is real freedom!