$50 a bulb??

[JonL]

Originally Posted by whell

So we should leverage government regs to force the issue at the expense of US jobs?

Without looking at the link, and even taking this quote totally out of context, I would say... "depends." Many issues, including energy consumption, are complex. Sometimes it may be appropriate to sacrifice some US jobs for the sake of the nation as a whole. On the other hand, actions that sacrifice US jobs simply to increase corporate profits and enrich the CEOs and stock market speculators should be vigorously discouraged through the use of public pressure, market pressure, and - where necessary - by regulation and tax policy.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by JonL

Without looking at the link, and even taking this quote totally out of context, I would say... "depends." Many issues, including energy consumption, are complex. Sometimes it may be appropriate to sacrifice some US jobs for the sake of the nation as a whole. On the other hand, actions that sacrifice US jobs simply to increase corporate profits and enrich the CEOs and stock market speculators should be vigorously discouraged through the use of public pressure, market pressure, and - where necessary - by regulation and tax policy.

Woomp, there it is!!!!!!

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by JonL

Without looking at the link, and even taking this quote totally out of context, I would say... "depends." Many issues, including energy consumption, are complex. Sometimes it may be appropriate to sacrifice some US jobs for the sake of the nation as a whole. On the other hand, actions that sacrifice US jobs simply to increase corporate profits and enrich the CEOs and stock market speculators should be vigorously discouraged through the use of public pressure, market pressure, and - where necessary - by regulation and tax policy.

The major problem with the sacrifice of US jobs is that even the GE incandescents are made in China now and they are crap, plain and simply crap. That is why I thank God for Sylvania.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by whell

So we should leverage government regs to force the issue at the expense of US jobs? Also, it would appear the lobby was in favor of this.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/op-eds...s-factory-jobs

Of course that two year old article did not mention that American companies are working to LED based bulbs. Let's see - a new technology - American manufacturers. Damn those government regulations!!!

Regards,

D-Ray

[HatchetJack]

I replaced 95% of the bulbs in my home several years back with the cfl bulbs.
While most of them are still working, I'm still not sold they are cheaper to
operate. They get hot as fire around the transformer base and I swear my
power bill went up instead of down? Think of the energy being wasted
everyday by all the dc transformers in everyone's home. From the pencil
sharpner to the cordless phones those are phantom power leaches.

[piece-itpete]

Perhaps a dual power system, ac from the street, a main converter for the lighting? AC travels better. Or perhaps a central light source with fiberoptics? I've heard of a 'light engine' before.

Also, AC is self cleaning, DC corrodes over time at the contacts - ask a tube guy Heck or a car guy So there'd have to be accomodation for that.

I'm waiting for the price to go down on LED floods, I've got 10 recessed light fixtures awaiting. But for $1100 I'm still waiting

Pete

[merrylander]

Everytime I am in Home Depot I stock up on incandescents, mainly Sylvania because they are still made here. CFLs bother my wife's eyes and since they are all made in China you know where you can stick them. LEDs won't be any better unless the rectify the AC and stop the 60 Hz blink. I wonder if they stop to think about people with epilepsy?

[flacaltenn]

Actually BlueStreak:

Think about all those "wall wart" adapters that you have for everything. It's just mind boggling how many of those pile up. Those things are another consequence of having just 120V AC mains.

Ideally, you'd still have 120VAC service for the big stuff that uses motors and heating coils. But we also need to think about running a DC bus (probably in the range of 24VDC from a centralized conditioner at the home. That way all those wall warts go bye-bye and your lighting/electronics becomes simpler and more innovative.

[JonL]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

It needs to be attacked on all fronts. Gas mileage needs to be improved; electricity usage needs to be decreased; habits have to be changed.

I agree with this 100%, and didn't mean my post to imply otherwise.

Originally Posted by flacaltenn

Actually BlueStreak:

Think about all those "wall wart" adapters that you have for everything. It's just mind boggling how many of those pile up. Those things are another consequence of having just 120V AC mains.

Ideally, you'd still have 120VAC service for the big stuff that uses motors and heating coils. But we also need to think about running a DC bus (probably in the range of 24VDC from a centralized conditioner at the home. That way all those wall warts go bye-bye and your lighting/electronics becomes simpler and more innovative.

I think this is a good idea, and I bet it will happen before too long.

Can we also get a ~400 VDC bus for our tube audio gear?

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by JonL

I think this is a good idea, and I bet it will happen before too long.

Can we also get a ~400 VDC bus for our tube audio gear?

I hear they are proposing a regulation that would limit use of tube audio gear to times when the temperature is below 50 degrees F.

It's just a joke guys. I am such a cheapskate, however, that I am still solid state.

Regards,

D-Ray