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Old 05-08-2018, 10:53 PM
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Speaking of Donny’s moron base. Right on cue. Figures.
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Old 05-08-2018, 10:56 PM
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"Boeing and Airbus will lose contracts worth roughly $39 billion to replenish Iran’s aging fleet of commercial planes as part of the Trump administration’s reimposition of sanctions.
“The Boeing and Airbus licenses will be revoked,” Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin told a group of reporters Tuesday. “The existing licenses will be revoked.”" WP

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...=.30e5fad1a1f8

Hmmmm, I wonder how many jobs were lost to T'Rump's temper tantrum this time?
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Old 05-08-2018, 11:07 PM
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^^I don't think Trump really understands and could care less for that matter. A real moron. It's like he is playing with his slingshot like a juvenile using Obama as his target.
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Old 05-09-2018, 08:17 AM
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Here's a differing opinion, which, in my opinion is absolutely correct:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/o...-decision.html

[I]The Obama administration refused to submit the deal to Congress as a treaty, knowing it would never get two-thirds of the Senate to go along. Just 21 percent of Americans approved of the deal at the time it went through, against 49 percent who did not, according to a Pew poll. The agreement “passed” on the strength of a 42-vote Democratic filibuster, against bipartisan, majority opposition.

“The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (J.C.P.O.A.) is not a treaty or an executive agreement, and it is not a signed document,” Julia Frifield, then the assistant secretary of state for legislative affairs, wrote then-Representative Mike Pompeo in November 2015, referring to the deal by its formal name. It’s questionable whether the deal has any legal force at all.[/I]

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The easing of sanctions also gave Tehran additional financial means with which to fund its depredations in Syria and its militant proxies in Yemen, Lebanon and elsewhere. Any effort to counter Iran on the ground in these places would mean fighting the very forces we are effectively feeding. Why not just stop the feeding?

Apologists for the deal answer that the price is worth paying because Iran has put on hold much of its production of nuclear fuel for the next several years. Yet even now Iran is under looser nuclear strictures than South Korea, and would have been allowed to enrich as much material as it liked once the deal expired. That’s nuts.


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Even with the sanctions relief, the Iranian economy hangs by a thread: The Wall Street Journal on Sunday reported “hundreds of recent outbreaks of labor unrest in Iran, an indication of deepening discord over the nation’s economic troubles.” This week, the rial hit a record low of 67,800 to the dollar; one member of the Iranian Parliament estimated $30 billion of capital outflows in recent months. That’s real money for a country whose gross domestic product barely matches that of Boston.
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Old 05-09-2018, 08:53 AM
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Here's a differing opinion, which, in my opinion is absolutely correct...
Stephens, who I respect and read avidly, premised his whole op-ed piece on the following: (Trump) was absolutely right to do so — assuming, that is, serious thought has been given to what comes next...Now we’ll see whether the administration is capable of following through.

With that, he undermined his entire premise of his op-ed piece. Trump has not given any serious thought to anything he has yet done as president. In fact, I'm not sure he's capable of serious thought.

Trump nixed this deal solely because Obama did it and Fox News has railed against it incessantly and everyone knows that Trump's most influential advisors are Three Dolts on a Divan (Fox & Friends). There was no serious thought given to what comes next after this effort, just as there was no serious thought given to follow-up after bailing on TPP, NAFTA or the Paris Climate Accords.
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Old 05-09-2018, 09:00 AM
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Hmmm. Pulling out of the Iran deal is pissing off Bob and Chicklet. It must be a good thing, then.
Whell, you will say (especially to yourself) that you're just joking, but I think this plainly shows how your spiteful desire to oppose others here is the actual bedrock of your policy positions.
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Old 05-09-2018, 09:03 AM
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Stephens, who I respect and read avidly, premised his whole op-ed piece on the following: (Trump) was absolutely right to do so — assuming, that is, serious thought has been given to what comes next.

With that, he undermined his entire position. Trump has not given serious thought to anything he has yet done as president. In fact, I'm not sure he's capable of serious thought.

Trump nixed this deal solely because Obama did it and Fox News has railed against it incessantly and everyone knows that Trump's most influential advisors are Three Dolts on a Divan (Fox & Friends). There was no serious thought given to what comes next after this effort, just as there was no serious thought given to follow-up after bailing on TPP, NAFTA or the Paris Climate Accords.
...and right there is exactly where you get into trouble, Finn. Your own biases about Trump cloud your perspective. In fact, whenever someone starts a sentence with "everyone knows", for the average reader it becomes almost de rigueur that anything that follows in the sentence must be taken with a grain of salt.

Also, its worth noting that the hyperventilation that followed yesterday's announcement by the so called MSM sages, and echoed by some here, is that "no one will trust us again", and included prognostications that we made things worse for any discussions with Kim Jung-Un. That, of course, was followed the release and return of the 3 US detainees from North Korea. So, yea, I take much of what you and others claim to be "the truth" with a grain of sale.

That said, I do think you're correct to the extent that "what comes next" is key. But you're incorrect that the ball is exclusively in Trump's / the United States court. As Stephens points out, its really in Iran's court.

The goal is to put Iran’s rulers to a fundamental choice. They can opt to have a functioning economy, free of sanctions and open to investment, at the price of permanently, verifiably and irreversibly forgoing a nuclear option and abandoning their support for terrorists. Or they can pursue their nuclear ambitions at the cost of economic ruin and possible war. But they are no longer entitled to Barack Obama’s sweetheart deal of getting sanctions lifted first, retaining their nuclear options for later, and sponsoring terrorism throughout.

One must note that the announcement to exit the agreement was followed by chants of "death to America" in the Iranian Parliament. Some of that might be political theater. However, Iran should expect NOTHING from the United States until the money stops following to terrorists, and it starts verifiably taking its nuclear weapons program apart.
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Old 05-09-2018, 09:05 AM
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Whell, you will say (especially to yourself) that you're just joking, but I think this plainly shows how your spiteful desire to oppose others here is the actual bedrock of your policy positions.
Yes, you're right. I included the smiley as in my message as part of a carefully constructed and diabolical strategy to disguise a humorous post as spite.
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Whell, you will say (especially to yourself) that you're just joking, but I think this plainly shows how your spiteful desire to oppose others here is the actual bedrock of your policy positions.
Whell's statement is indeed what animates a lot of Trumpsters. They'll go with an action or a candidate based upon how upset they think it will make liberals. This helps explains Trumpster support of cretins like Roy Moore and Don Blankenship, as well as Trump's Muslim bans. Moreover, it helps explain their willingness to accept/defend Trump's incessant lying. If it pisses of liberals, it must be good.
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We have Trumpist candidates bragging now about how they do and will piss-off liberals.
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