People Can Change

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by finnbow

By this logic, a homosexual can just as easily choose to become straight. Conversion (or reparative) therapy based upon this premise has been proven to be a scam, and a dangerous one at that. The American Psychological Association has come out with a pretty strong statement in this regard.

https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/t...n_therapy.html

I still don't get why anyone would choose it. I have observed family members, friends and other acquaintances who are gay and seen it can be a very difficult life. When I was in the Navy, in the early 1980s, people were treated like criminals for it. I've even seen a man beaten severely when his shipmates found out and HE was punished as they walked away.

WHY WOULD ANYONE CHOOSE THAT? This is why I believe very few, if any, really do.

Dave

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Isn't that a leap?

A black man cannot by choice become white, whereas anyone by choice can
become homosexual.

Then you don't understand the concept of homosexual as a sexual orientation. As I mentioned in an earlier post we have a few women friends in same sex relationships who don't consider themselves to be "lesbian".

I suspect there are a lot of people in same sex relationships who are not homosexual.

There's a lot of same-sex sex going on that isn't, by definition "homosexual".

[HarmanKardon]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Then you don't understand the concept of homosexual as a sexual orientation. As I mentioned in an earlier post we have a few women friends in same sex relationships that don't consider themselves to be "lesbian".

I suspect there are a lot of people in same sex relationships that are not homosexual.

There's a lot of same-sex sex going on that isn't, by definition "homosexual".

Thumb up for that post. It seems to be like a quote of the Hite report. A lot of heterosexual women and men are longing for an experience with the same sex but do not dare for a life long.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Then you don't understand the concept of homosexual as a sexual orientation. As I mentioned in an earlier post we have a few women friends in same sex relationships that don't consider themselves to be "lesbian".

I suspect there are a lot of people in same sex relationships that are not homosexual.

There's a lot of same-sex sex going on that isn't, by definition "homosexual".

I guess everyone makes his or her definition to suit whatever situation.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Traditional analysis of the Equal Protection provision of the Constitution focused on immutable characteristics of the individuals seeking protection. As a shorthand, an immutable characteristic is something that you are born with - for example race or gender. That is what gives significance to the research that shows that sexual preference is hard-wired. It brings such individuals within the protection of the Equal Protection clause. The hard-wiring makes sexual preference closer to an immutable characteristic.

Regards,

D-Ray

I can quite understand the legal rationale, but if a person(s) claim they are homosexuals, there is no way to disprove their claim. Right? I have always been sympathetic to the gay community and have believed that it is how they are born. I also know a couple of middle aged people that came out of the closet later in their lives with adult children.

As for Queen, their Bohemian Rhapsody was unique when it came out but it soon became pop music for me. Queen is considered a Stadium Rock Group so their music is better suited to live performances IMO. I have one of their outdoor concerts on laser disc that is quite enjoyable and Freddie's vocals are awesome.

[BlueStreak]

Thanks, Don, I wasn't aware of that. However, I was expressing a personal opinion, not arguing constitutionality. At any rate, Thanks!

Dave

[barbara]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Isn't that a leap?



A black man cannot by choice become white, whereas anyone by choice can

become homosexual.

I'm not so sure that it is true that anyone by choice can become a homosexual.

In my opinion, that is a false statement.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by barbara

I'm not so sure that it is true that anyone by choice can become a homosexual.

In my opinion, that is a false statement.

Wow! Wow!

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by barbara

I'm not so sure that it is true that anyone by choice can become a homosexual.

In my opinion, that is a false statement.

In other words there is no free will.
I am not going to participate in homosexual activities.
I am not going to steal.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

In other words there is no free will.
I am not going to participate in homosexual activities.
I am not going to steal.

Don that is an oversimplification and I am sure you know it. I was never asked did I want to be hetero it is just the way I was wired. It was never a conscious decision to prefer women, it simply happens that way. No having seen the David in the Louvre he did have a fantastic body but I felt nothing near the way I felt the first time I saw Florence unclothed.

Perhaps we need to be like the Greeks, they have four words for love;

Phileo - Friendly or brotherly love, such as I feel/felt for my siblings

Storge - Affectionate love such as a father to his children as toward our son

Eros - Physical love ( and not necessarily sinful, eroticism can be quite proper - and fun)

Agape - Self-sacrificing love, a joyful resolve to put other's welfare ahead of our own.

In 1st Corinthians 13 the King James translators mistakenly translated agape as 'charity'

And I am certain that in the OP TD meant that people's views could change not their orientation.