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10-28-2009, 04:47 PM
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I should have sold my clothes and did as she wished. Long, hard, and cold three months after the fact. I'd rather get in a fist fight with a man any day. When it's over, everybody just wants a beer. Wimmen don't fight fair. 1st, they cry. Then they hold a grudge to the end of time. Well, almost...it just ain't worth it. Chas 
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Neither my wife nor the kids like to be cross-examined. 
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#52
10-29-2009, 11:25 AM
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#53
10-29-2009, 12:14 PM
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10-29-2009, 03:54 PM
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I'm no racist; as some of you know I've strong personal reasons to despise racism of any type but anti discrimination laws have not only to effect everyone equally, they have to be seen to effect everyone equally, otherwise they do much more harm than good.
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10-29-2009, 04:47 PM
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Here, however, in some locations racial profiling takes place. Some times race alone is enough to make a minority suspect in the eyes of law enforcement.
The difference in hate crime legislation is looking at the motivation. The law addresses committing a crime against someone because of race, sexual orientation, etc. That is a crime not only against the individual, but against the race, because the purpose of the crime is to indimidate and attempt to diminish all members of a particular group. Regards, D-Ray
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10-30-2009, 12:10 AM
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Love, Dave
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10-30-2009, 12:12 AM
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Love, Dave
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10-30-2009, 08:49 AM
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This is the same reason kids get suspended for aspirin - no discretion. Pete
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#59
10-30-2009, 09:19 AM
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Let me try an analogy, and I hope it doesn't sound too much like legaleeze.
Conspiracy is a crime. In order to have engaged in a criminal conspiracy, however, one must have conspired (agreed) with another to commit another crime. The legislature has made the value judgment that an agreement between others to commit a crime increases the chances that it will happen and makes it more dangerous. If the conspirators carry out the crime, they can be charged with both the underlying crime and the conspiracy. Even if a conspirator does not take part in the actual crime, the agreement to commit the crime is punishable as an offense. Example, someone hires a person to kill another. If the conspirator is in another state when the murder occurred, if there is proof of the agreement to kill the other person, he would be guilty of the conspiracy. It is a crime to beat someone up. But if there is a message in the beating; if it can be shown that the beating occurred to intimidate members of another race; if it can be shown that the motivating factor was for the beating was the race of the victim, having acted against another on the basis of race is an additional crime. To follow up on the conspiracy example, one can't be charged with criminal conspiracy the do a legal act. If we conspire to each mow our lawn on Tuesday, that's not a criminal conspiracy. If one hates all races and beleives that all gays are going to hell, and screams that at the top of their lungs, that is not a crime. But if in the context of that one whups up on a member of another race, the beating is a crime, and the targeting of the victim because of his race is also a crime. The legislature has determined that targeting people for crimes because of their race makes the community a more dangerous place, and one that is less civilized. Our social contract - the implied agreement among people of a society to use our collective strength to provide for the security of all - includes the authority to provide a portion of that security by protecting individuals from being targeted for a crime simply because of the color of one's skin. As far as mutuality, I beleive that if an organization of blacks had as its mission to eliminate caucasians, a crime against a caucasion committed in furtherance of that mission would amount to a hate crime. There now, isn't it as clear as mud? Regards, D-Ray
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