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11-03-2015, 01:31 PM
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Keystone pipeline is a very high risk for scant rewards only benefiting Canada in the long run. A spill can become an environmental disaster for the states the pipeline is running through.
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11-03-2015, 02:04 PM
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Delaying tactics for now, awaiting a little election in a year for a favorable result before moving on.
Like others have noted as long as they continue producing the Tar Sands there will always be a want for the pipe line.
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11-06-2015, 02:50 PM
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The Prez tells TransCanada to pound sand today.
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11-06-2015, 03:13 PM
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He can do this because it's intrastate?
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11-06-2015, 03:18 PM
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Quote:
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He can do this because it's intrastate?
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Since it crosses an international border, the State dept has final say.
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11-06-2015, 04:04 PM
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Misdirection.
Don't look at what I'm about to do with TPP. Look at what I just did with Keystone XL!
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11-07-2015, 11:44 AM
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I think the Post has it right when it says:
President Obama rejected the Keystone XL oil pipeline on Friday, ending an unseemly political dispute marked by activist hysteria, GOP hyperbole, presidential weakness and a general incapability of various sides to see the policy question for what it was: a mundane infrastructure approval that didn’t pose a high threat to the environment but also didn’t promise much economic development. The politicization of this regulatory decision, and the consequent warping of the issue to the point that it was described in existential terms, was a national embarrassment, reflecting poorly on the United States’ capability to treat parties equitably under law and regulation...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...839_story.html
It seems to me that if it makes economic sense to exploit this resource in Canada, it will find its way to market via trucks and/or trains, both considerably more risky to the environment than a new pipeline. I hope environmentalists are thrilled with their symbolic victory that will result in this oil getting to market in a way that is more environmentally detrimental while precluding the creation of a number of construction and service industry jobs. I guess this is what happens when you let vocal activists unduly influence government actions.
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11-07-2015, 12:55 PM
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Also pure hypocrisy as we cause as much water pollution here with fraking as does the tarsands. Also the biggest players in the tarsands are American and European oil companies.
It could also have had a leg added to carry the North Dakota crude but now that also will go by rail. If the Canadians are smart they will not allow American oil trains on their lines or they could see another Lac Megantic.
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11-07-2015, 01:19 PM
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I disagree Rob. Our oil consumption is continuing to diminish and I predict that electric cars/self driving cars are in our near future, especially in metropolitan areas. So why take a risk? If our demand for oil goes up, we can always revisit this resource. Chances are that due to depressed crude oil prices, it is not economically viable to transport via rail. Canada can also institute better safety standards for their rail freight system/tracks.
PS: I am truly surprised by the number of Nissan Leaf EV's on I-680 that I use to commute daily. Tesla's too but that's not an affordable car but is locally made.
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Quote:
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Since it crosses an international border, the State dept has final say.
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Thank you.
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