Do you see the U.S. being headed for a second civil war?

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

The idea that the Republicans are lavishing their poor, rural constituents with an inordinate amount of social welfare is absurd.

Break it down per capita, the poor in the cities receive just as much support. By percentage, by far, it goes to the populous 'blue states'.

Show me your evidence, I'll (most likely) rip it to shreds.

If you're talking about environmental clean up, after all the resources are stripped off to go the cities, you probably don't want to go there.

How many 10s of trillions go the MIC annually, to prep for war ? And we have to point fingers about the little amount of social spending. Start a city / country rivalry. Start a civil war, if possible.

Pathetic, that's what is. Oh no, we can't raise the debt ceiling for social spending.

My point isn't how much red states social welfare spending there is, either total $ or per capita. And it's not about how that compares to more populous states.. My point is where the $, of whatever amount, come from. More rural states get more back from the feds than they send in. You can dig into the data here: https://www.moneygeek.com/living/sta...al-government/

[nailer]

Although Texas and Florida are both very populous and more than a bit red. I'd bet the large red sections of California's pop. is close to, if not more than, the pop. of the reddest rural states'.

MIC spending contributes to this condition in that low paying high employment bases are typically rural while high paying low employnent weapons manufacturing concerns and DoD's way too large command structure are usually in urban locations.

[Ike Bana]

The first Civil War never ended completely. For how many decades did we have the nonsense of the "Solid South" Democratic party. Where the Party decided to look the other way behind the racism of George Wallace Democrats. But the Vietnam war was what put us where we are not. Those years we spent fighting that war generated the great cultural devide we have now.

And it's the conservatives who, during the Trump presidency and this folloing year, who have put themselves on the wrong side of it, ideologically, politically, and ethically.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

The first Civil War never ended completely. For how many decades did we have the nonsense of the "Solid South" Democratic party. Where the Party decided to look the other way behind the racism of George Wallace Democrats. But the Vietnam war was what put us where we are not. Those years we spent fighting that war generated the great cultural devide we have now.

And it's the conservatives who, during the Trump presidency and this folloing year, who have put themselves on the wrong side of it, ideologically, politically, and ethically.

The 'solid south' was one-party rule maintained through suppression of opposition voters. The Republicans now are seeking to reestablish that in enough states to control the electoral college and congress, giving them a long-term lock on power. Note that the Democratic 'solid south' lasted about 90 years.

[BigElCat]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

More rural states get more back from the feds than they send in. You can dig into the data here: https://www.moneygeek.com/living/sta...al-government/

That is pure propaganda. The conversion of the data into an arbitrary 100 point scale via amplifiers is ridiculous.

Lets overlook the fact that they pigeonhole every state as being either red or blue. That's stupid to begin with, but we'll assume for the sake of argument, that their raw data is accurate.

Out of the 50 (+DC) CONUS, only 9 states pay in more than they take back. We will toss out the 2 'red states' in this category, because we want to see only the blue blood being drained.

The states of Washington and Illinois lose six cents on the dollar they pay in as Federal taxes. New York loses seven cents on the dollar they pay in. Massachusetts loses twelve cents on the dollar, while Minnesota loses fifteen cents. Granted the percentages start to look significant at this point.

New Jersey loses twenty-two cents and Delaware loses thirty-seven for every dollar they pay in as Federal taxes.

Instead of figuring out why those states don't break even, you propose punishing all the dependent people, regardless of political affiliation or lack thereof, in any state that votes Republican.

I'll say it again. That's completely off target, and just as bad as anything the dipshit Trump cult ever did.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

Instead of figuring out why those states don't break even, you propose punishing all the dependent people, regardless of political affiliation or lack thereof, in any state that votes Republican.

I'll say it again. That's completely off target, and just as bad as anything the dipshit Trump cult ever did.

Show me where I proposed punishing anyone. It's Marjorie Taylor Green seeking a great divorce, not me. And the reason the rural states will be in a bad way, in addition to the tax subsidy lost, is that they won't have the borrowing power of the federal government.

Did you see the bit where MTG wants to put special taxes on people who move into the red empire after the split? To punish them for their sin of supporting Democrats? Sounds like they'll need a color chart to see who gets to pay....

I deny that I ever said anything anywhere near this bad.

Of course, MTG is just a bona fide idiot. The real plan, as I mentioned above, is one-party rule over the whole country.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

This idea of defunding the most vulnerable people in the red states is nothing short of fascism, akin to social eugenics. So the old, the weak are targeted.

Well put!

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Well put!

Speaking of eugenics, can you imagine why MTG imagines hordes of Democrats clamoring to move to red states after the 'divorce?' I suspect 'food as a weapon' is in her alleged mind....

[Oerets]

This new RNC (Republican Nazi Cult) is more them willing to make any and all who are out of lock step into the enemy. Drunk with power they will be when in charge. Being nice and forgiving, understanding is not in their DNA. My way or the ...... will not be the highway I'm afraid.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by BigElCat

That is pure propaganda. The conversion of the data into an arbitrary 100 point scale via amplifiers is ridiculous.

Lets overlook the fact that they pigeonhole every state as being either red or blue. That's stupid to begin with, but we'll assume for the sake of argument, that their raw data is accurate.

Out of the 50 (+DC) CONUS, only 9 states pay in more than they take back. We will toss out the 2 'red states' in this category, because we want to see only the blue blood being drained.

The states of Washington and Illinois lose six cents on the dollar they pay in as Federal taxes. New York loses seven cents on the dollar they pay in. Massachusetts loses twelve cents on the dollar, while Minnesota loses fifteen cents. Granted the percentages start to look significant at this point.

New Jersey loses twenty-two cents and Delaware loses thirty-seven for every dollar they pay in as Federal taxes.

Instead of figuring out why those states don't break even, you propose punishing all the dependent people, regardless of political affiliation or lack thereof, in any state that votes Republican.

I'll say it again. That's completely off target, and just as bad as anything the dipshit Trump cult ever did.

Stop trying to confuse me with numbers.


Nice analysis though.