It's Official, Russians Corrupted The Election

[ZeroJunk]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Yesterday's events didn't occur in a vacuum. Do you honestly believe that the only thing Mueller had on Flynn and his son was a couple instances of Flynn lying and that his guilty plea (and lack of further charges), along with a cooperation agreement, have no bearing on the future of this investigation and Mueller's strategy going forward? Trump is truly fortunate to have gullible Kool-Aid slurpers like you who will support him until the bitter end.

I'm curious what your explanation is for every single member of the Trump campaign (Trump, Pence, Sessions, Kushner, Junior, Flynn, Manafort, Cohen, Page, Papadapolous ...) lying about their interactions with Russia as well as Trump's efforts to compel Comey and Congress to drop their investigations. Is it all fake news?

The charges against Flynn at this point are lying to the FBI about interactions he had after the election. Why he would lie about it is curious. Nobody seems to be able to come up with any law preventing an incoming administration from making preliminary contacts with foreign countries. Reporting is that it was about 35 countries, not just Russia.

It is also curious that this is a big deal to the left, but the Clinton campaign paying an agent to gather info from the Russians on Trump is not a problem.

[Rajoo]

Let's say I have thirty five customers whom I deal with regularly and one of then is a known to have gangland connections. Now the FBI is questioning me and what do you think they want to talk to me about?

All this sweeping under the rug is developing a big bulge in the middle of the rug, question is what is under there? Too late to say nothing there!

[nailer]

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk

The charges against Flynn at this point are lying to the FBI about interactions he had after the election. Why he would lie about it is curious. Nobody seems to be able to come up with any law preventing an incoming administration from making preliminary contacts with foreign countries. Reporting is that it was about 35 countries, not just Russia.

It is also curious that this is a big deal to the left, but the Clinton campaign paying an agent to gather info from the Russians on Trump is not a problem.

People lie to hide the truth, make themselves appear to be more than they are, and to protect the feelings of others (white lies). Hope this helps.

While talking to representatives of other governments may not be illegal, this was the evil Russians we're talking about here. And then there's Trump's unbelievable victory (from the Dems perspective) to rationalize away. "It wasn't our fault, they cheated!"

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk

The charges against Flynn at this point are lying to the FBI about interactions he had after the election. Why he would lie about it is curious. Nobody seems to be able to come up with any law preventing an incoming administration from making preliminary contacts with foreign countries. Reporting is that it was about 35 countries, not just Russia.

This wasn't about making preliminary contacts. It was about undermining ongoing foreign policy efforts of the Obama administration on Israel and Russian sanctions and yes, there is a law against it (the Logan Act).

It is also curious that this is a big deal to the left, but the Clinton campaign paying an agent to gather info from the Russians on Trump is not a problem.

Paying an American firm for opposition research who ends up using some input from foreigners is perfectly legal. Accepting opposition research and/or hacked materials (an in-kind campaign contribution) from a foreign power is illegal, however. It's kinda like the difference between a politician buying something and accepting something as a bribe - two decidedly different things.

[donquixote99]

Trump's line these days is that Flynn, in the days before he was appointed National Security Advisor of the United States, was acting very independently--freely, on his own, a loose cannon, doing his thing by himself.... But there's an email trail that says otherwise, and the NYT has it:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/12/0...mp-emails.html

[nailer]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Trump's line these days is that Flynn, in the days before he was appointed National Security Advisor of the United States, was acting very independently--freely, on his own, a loose cannon, doing his thing by himself.... But there's an email trail that says otherwise, and the NYT has it:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/12/0...mp-emails.html

Although I imagine creating a fake email trail wouldn't be all that hard to create for those with the wherewithal. And emails described is even weaker support than emails read.

[Chicks]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

But there's an email trail that says otherwise, and the NYT has it:

As, I'm sure, does Mueller.

[ZeroJunk]

Originally Posted by finnbow

This wasn't about making preliminary contacts. It was about undermining ongoing foreign policy efforts of the Obama administration on Israel and Russian sanctions and yes, there is a law against it (the Logan Act).



Paying an American firm for opposition research who ends up using some input from foreigners is perfectly legal. Accepting opposition research and/or hacked materials (an in-kind campaign contribution) from a foreign power is illegal, however. It's kinda like the difference between a politician buying something and accepting something as a bribe - two decidedly different things.

The chance of anybody being charged under the Logan Act is absolutely zero.
Just part of the Trump derangement syndrome.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk

The chance of anybody being charged under the Logan Act is absolutely zero.
Just part of the Trump derangement syndrome.

Per Wiki, no one's ever been prosecuted and but two have been indicted since 1799.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk

The chance of anybody being charged under the Logan Act is absolutely zero.
Just part of the Trump derangement syndrome.

That may be true, but such behavior is still illegal. The Obama administration actually instructed Trump and Co. to cut it out, but they persisted. They deserve to be prosecuted for it.