The Real Mitt Romney

[mezz]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

"Romney successfully led one most liberal states in the union as governor for four years."

Yes, especially what he did with their healthcare. I hear it's very popular. Maybe the same should be done on a natio..........Oh.

Obama didn't quite get that right now did he?... and now it very well might be declared unconstitutional. We need some kind of health care reform and I'm all for universal coverage - done right. Most people don't understand the details. Obama rammed his plan down everyone's throats and it was put in with some obvious holes in the design and they tried to sell it with a bunch of lies and misrepresentations. Obama and his folks simply take people for stupid.

Romney's plan for Massachusetts didn't mandate everyone to buy government health insurance, it provided disincentives for not doing so - like forfeit of one's personal tax exemption for not having insurance among other things. Romney inherited a multi-billion dollar deficit when he took office in Mass and ran surpluses for his last 2 years in office. Given that the state went back to running deficits after he left office, he struck a balance there of raising money through licensing fees (basically equivalent to excise taxes) and cutting state spending to achieve his deficits. His whole time in office the state legislature was (and still is) a large majority Democrat. So he had to deal across the aisle on everything. Even with the state leg overturning a lot of his initiatives, and Romney's only power sometime being the veto, he got a lot done for Mass in his 4 years and handed Patrick a state in much better shape financially than it was in when Romney took office.

Romney isn't the conservative dream, but he's what this country needs right now, Obama was never what it needed... he just misrepresented himself as being what the country needed and he's still doing it because he's really got nothing else but more misrepresentation to offer.

[BlueStreak]

"Romney's plan for Massachusetts didn't mandate everyone to buy government health insurance, it provided disincentives for not doing so - like forfeit of one's personal tax exemption for not having insurance among other things."

Ha, ha, ha, ha........

What's the difference?

Your still punishing someone for not doing as they're told.

I'd call that a mandate.

[mezz]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

"Romney's plan for Massachusetts didn't mandate everyone to buy government health insurance, it provided disincentives for not doing so - like forfeit of one's personal tax exemption for not having insurance among other things."

Ha, ha, ha, ha........

What's the difference?

Your still punishing someone for not doing as they're told.

I'd call that a mandate.

It makes it a choice with financial disincentives rather than a fine for breaking the law. Just one example. The Obama health care bill is sloppy and full of problems like this and worse. Obama's personal input appears to have been minimal. He's too elite to get his hands dirty with the details. His job is to take the credit if it's successful and distance himself if it's not. He doesn't have a stake in anything. Romney fought out details of the legislation at nearly every turn and personally mediated to get things passed in the end. His approach will be a refreshing change. He has a record of advocating tolerance on social issues as well and I'm pretty sure that if he all of the sudden decided to support something like same sex marriage he wouldn't be going around bragging that he is single handedly leading the revolution of social change in America the way Obama is bragging now.

[d-ray657]

The right wing noise machine had certainly been fixated on the notion that the health care plan was rammed down people's throats. To the contrary, the plan slowly plodded through the legislative process for nearly a year. Moreover, the bill had so many fingerprints on it by the time it finally became law that that it is silly to suggest that Obama imposed his will on the people. Finally, he campaigned on health care reform, including universal coverage. The People were well aware of that goal when they went to the voting booth. It is beyond me how anyone can claim that Obama engaged in some sort of totalitarian oppression by enacting a central plank of his platform.

Regards,

D-Ray

[BlueStreak]

No. There is no difference. Whether you "fine" someone for not doing as they are told, or "provide financial disincentive" is same-same. It is still using financial punishment to force someone to act against their will. IT'S THE SAME THING.

Maybe Obama didn't consider himself an expert on health insurance and left it to professionals in the field to draft the legislation? Maybe he figured copying Mitts ideas was good enough since Mitt seems to be such an omniscient being?

Mitt has a record of advancing social issues when it's politically expedient. Like all politicians do. What are his stance on those issues at the moment? That's what you need to ask. And be quick about it, because it changes daily, depending on whom he's speaking to.

He's a world class "flip-flopper".

That was the point of this video, and it demonstrates it quite well. You know it's the truth and it burns your ass, doesn't it?

Oh, and BTW. If he does win, he will be inheriting a country in better, albeit slighty, shape than that horrendous mess that incompetent Republican left Obama. (And, I'm sure, deep down inside, you know that as well.)

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Oh, and BTW. If he does win, he will be inheriting a country in better, albeit slighty, shape than the horrendous mess that incompetent Republican left Obama. (And, I'm sure, deep down inside, you know that as well.)

Unlike the Shrub I doubt it will take him eight years to flush it down the toilet, I just hope in the euphoria after a GOP win the housing market improves so we can rake the maximum profit out of this place.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Unlike the Shrub I doubt it will take him eight years to flush it down the toilet, I just hope in the euphoria after a GOP win the housing market improves so we can rake the maximum profit out of this place.

In that one word, you said much. Euphoria; a feeling of well being, in the absence of any basis in reality.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

In that one word, you said much. Euphoria; a feeling of well being, in the absence of any basis in reality.

I try to use the appropriate words, good thing that I have a reasonable vocabulary.

[mezz]

Originally Posted by merrylander

I try to use the appropriate words, good thing that I have a reasonable vocabulary.

The word I'll hopefully be using to describe my feelings at the time will be 'relieved'.

[mezz]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

No. There is no difference. Whether you "fine" someone for not doing as they are told, or "provide financial disincentive" is same-same. It is still using financial punishment to force someone to act against their will. IT'S THE SAME THING.

While it may achieve the same end, one might just hold up in court... the other, we'll soon see.

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Maybe Obama didn't consider himself an expert on health insurance and left it to professionals in the field to draft the legislation? Maybe he figured copying Mitts ideas was good enough since Mitt seems to be such an omniscient being?

Mitt has a record of advancing social issues when it's politically expedient. Like all politicians do. What are his stance on those issues at the moment? That's what you need to ask. And be quick about it, because it changes daily, depending on whom he's speaking to.

He's a world class "flip-flopper".

Oh come on. Obama's positions evolve and yet Romney's a flip-flopper. You can't win any converts with such obvious double standards. If you liberals want to copy strategies from Karl Rove's playbook, at least do it correctly - or you'll end up with an unworkable mess every time (like Obama's health care plan).

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

That was the point of this video, and it demonstrates it quite well. You know it's the truth and it burns your ass, doesn't it?

Oh, and BTW. If he does win, he will be inheriting a country in better, albeit slighty, shape than that horrendous mess that incompetent Republican left Obama. (And, I'm sure, deep down inside, you know that as well.)

I honestly did not see the (assuming propoganda) video. What kind of time do you think I have on my hands?

He'll be inheriting an unprecedented deficit, the level of damage to this country which it will cause, is as of yet to be seen... but we can guess. Obama's legacy won't be a good one.