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Old 12-13-2016, 06:19 AM
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Yet again, you missed the point. Russia deliberately interfered in our election either to discredit/weaken our democracy and/or to favor Trump. Neither is acceptable and both need to be thoroughly investigated. Your party's Senate Majority Leader has said that your view "defies belief." He's right. We'll find out soon enough what happened.

It seems he took the words right out of my mouth, particularly the part about you being intentionally obtuse.
Its the highlighted part that you're hanging on to like a lifeline, and there's no proof. You're the one being obtuse.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...KBN14204E?il=0
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Old 12-13-2016, 07:06 AM
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Its the highlighted part that you're hanging on to like a lifeline, and there's no proof. You're the one being obtuse.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...KBN14204E?il=0
Your position is that unless the Russians can be proven in advance to have favored Trump rather than just hacking and meddling in our election to disrupt and discredit our democracy, we should forego any investigation of their transgressions. Thankfully, there are enough Republicans that are willing to put country before fear of Trumpenfuhrer tweets and support an investigation. Russia interfering and releasing only material negative to Clinton because that's all they could successfully hack or Russia releasing only Hillary material because they favored Trump is a distinction without a difference. We'll likely never be able to divine the exact motive for what they did (disrupting/discrediting America or favoring Trump), but it makes no difference.

BTW, your linked article on based upon a specious premise. Neither the NYTimes nor the WashPost reported that the CIA has proven that Russia interfered specifically to benefit Trump. The CIA said that their analysis led to them have strong confidence that Russia did so. So you and Rush accusing them of saying something they didn't say isn't reason not to investigate - a typical Trump diversionary tactic. I'm starting to think that you're some teenager in a basement in Macedonia.
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Old 12-13-2016, 07:32 AM
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All this argument proves to me, the GOP and the Right will sell their souls to advance an agenda. But that is assuming they have souls to sell in the first place.
The Right firmly to the core believes in the dead voting in mass to effect elections but are now blind to Russia. Will not even entertain a independent investigation to see. Willing to embrace Russia and overlook little things like hacking, Ukraine and Syria as acceptable. As long as they are the perceived beneficiaries.



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Old 12-13-2016, 10:18 AM
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With both the GOP House and the Senate wanting to have Russian hacking investigated should make this thread moot.
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Old 12-13-2016, 10:20 AM
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With both the GOP House and the Senate wanting to have Russian hacking investigated should make this thread moot.
It would if it weren't for a significant number of House and Senate members continuing to spew the same silly shit that Whell is (not to mention Trump himself, Reince Preibus, Sean Spicer, Fox News, Limbaugh, Breitbart and other GOP "thought leaders") and Trump throwing the CIA under the bus in favor of defending Russia at every breath (whether in this matter or in Syria or the Ukraine).
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Old 12-13-2016, 10:25 AM
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It would if it weren't for a significant number of House and Senate members continuing to spew the same silly shit that Whell is (not to mention Trump himself, Reince Preibus, Sean Spicer, Fox News, Limbaugh, Breitbart and other GOP "thought leaders").
Obama is not going to back off on his order to investigate Russian hacking at this point in time, unless he is a total wimp.
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Old 12-13-2016, 10:27 AM
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Obama is not going to back off on his order to investigate Russian hacking at this point in time, unless he is a total wimp.
He won't and shouldn't. He's basically saying to the GOP Congress and Trump "either you support our intelligence agencies or Russia. Which is it?"
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Old 12-13-2016, 10:32 AM
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He won't and shouldn't. He's basically saying to the GOP Congress and Trump "either you support our intelligence agencies or Russia. Which is it?"
Very well put and the bait is well hooked.
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Old 12-14-2016, 09:49 AM
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He won't and shouldn't. He's basically saying to the GOP Congress and Trump "either you support our intelligence agencies or Russia. Which is it?"
The GOP has been running on an anti government since 1980 and has seen significant success. Trump won as an anti establishment candidate, he's not going to stop now and this is a constituency safe issue. In the overall scheme of things it's a tempest in a teapot.
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Old 12-13-2016, 10:40 AM
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Obama is not going to back off on his order to investigate Russian hacking at this point in time, unless he is a total wimp.
Obama has caved too many times.
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