Lost faith in America

elwood127 · #1 10-31-2009, 12:44 PM

I've historically been a conservative at heart, a less government, get off your butt and make it happen type. Buying into the notion that Michael Moore was as un-American as they come. By chance I caught his documentary "Sicko" the other night. It looks into America's, England's, France's and Canada's heathcare systems. I came away hateing America or atleast American politicians and the American heathcare companies. Granted, we only see what Moore wants us to see but it is enough to leave no doubt that the talking heads on the right have fed us a line about the downfalls of government controlled healthcare. Doctors in France for instance get a base salary of 100k a year, more if thier patients get healthier IE: stop smoking, lower heart rates and lower weight. There are no waiting lines and all 911 calls get a medical team to evaluate and treat symptoms. Is it perfect? I doubt it. But in a country whose GDP is about 7 trillion dollars (that would be us) there is no excuse for not adopting a similar system. Unfortunately our politicians want to keep lining there pockets with lobbyist money. I'm ashamed for us all. Greed is ruining America. I'm glad I'm old and won't have to witness the fall of the worlds greatest country. Watch this video. You'll never be the same.

noonereal · #2 10-31-2009, 12:51 PM

One of our countries biggest success stories in Medicare.
Enough said.

Bigerik · #3 10-31-2009, 01:02 PM

Maybe being an outsider gives a different perspective two, but having lived in the US through 2 presidents (at least in part), I am really shocked to see how the country has changed. Shocked and saddened. I knew the American empire would not last forever (none of them ever do) but I never thought the collapse would have been as quick and as devastating as it has been.

noonereal · #4 10-31-2009, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Twodogs

Hmm, last time I checked, America is still the Nation that others are judged by. Michael Moore is indeed a strong debater, but as the original poster mentioned, it's just one side of a complex story. I would add that it's a very biased side.

Have you seen the movie?

BlueStreak · #5 10-31-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Twodogs

Hmm, last time I checked, America is still the Nation that others are judged by. Michael Moore is indeed a strong debater, but as the original poster mentioned, it's just one side of a complex story. I would add that it's a very biased side.

And your side isnt?

Oh, that's right, only "Dittoheads" truly love America.

What a load!

Spare me,

Dave

Charles · #6 10-31-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueStreak

And your side isnt?

Oh, that's right, only "Dittoheads" truly love America.

What a load!

Spare me,

Dave

You're being a bit harsh on TD, don't you think?

I saw nothing in his post deserving of the majority of your response.

Chas

noonereal · #7 10-31-2009, 03:03 PM

Chas, did you see the movie?
(I have not)
I would be interested hear your thoughts.

Charles · #8 10-31-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by noonereal

Chas, did you see the movie?
(I have not)
I would be interested hear your thoughts.

Haven't seen it. Can't offer a valid critique.

Chas

d-ray657 · #9 10-31-2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Twodogs

Have a cocktail my friend. You seem a bit tense.

Anyone for a Killian's Red?

Regards,

D-Ray

Twodogs · #10 10-31-2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by d-ray657

Anyone for a Killian's Red?

Regards,

D-Ray

RED!!! I had you figured for a commie all along.