Mandatory vaccination in Germany gets more and more likely

HarmanKardon · #1 12-01-2021, 03:35 PM

102000 German covid victims and counting. Currently almost 500 fatalities daily.

It is time to respond on this situation forcefully. A mandatory vaccination will be the key. I really hope that the new German Government will all these anthroposophic and else bullshit minded subjects kick to hell!

Three out of ten Germans are fools. This is quite depressive.

HarmanKardon · #2 12-01-2021, 03:39 PM

The new Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany.

Rajoo · #3 12-01-2021, 04:24 PM

Chris, I am curious. Will the German constitution permit it. This is what is preventing vaccines being mandated in the US and we have to do it piecemeal; armed forces, healthcare workers, emergency personell, etc. And every one of these groups are fighting it for Trumpist reasons. These people do not realize that the ones goading them like the Republican politicians and their operatives have all been vaccinated.

finnbow · #4 12-04-2021, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo

Chris, I am curious. Will the German constitution permit it. This is what is preventing vaccines being mandated in the US and we have to do it piecemeal; armed forces, healthcare workers, emergency personell, etc. And every one of these groups are fighting it for Trumpist reasons. These people do not realize that the ones goading them like the Republican politicians and their operatives have all been vaccinated.

FWIW, our constitution permits it.

Rajoo · #5 12-04-2021, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow

FWIW, our constitution permits it.

From what I know Finn, the health clause is left up to the individual states, counties and cities. Yes, the SCOTUS has voted in favor of vaccine mandate, but from what we can see, individual states can make this into a political football, at least till the next mid-term elections.

OK, here is what I believe. Individual enterprises and agencies (both private and government) can restrict access to those who are not vaccinated like schools do, but doubt the constitution will permit forced vaccinations.

finnbow · #6 12-04-2021, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo

From what I know Finn, the health clause is left up to the individual states, counties and cities. Yes, the SCOTUS has voted in favor of vaccine mandate, but from what we can see, individual states can make this into a political football, at least till the next mid-term elections.

OK, here is what I believe. Individual enterprises and agencies (both private and government) can restrict access to those who are not vaccinated like schools do, but doubt the constitution will permit forced vaccinations.

That's kind of a distinction without a difference. If one is precluded from employment, travel, public accommodation, public transit, and entry into any public or private building, that is effectively a mandate and I'm cool with it. In other words, if one wants to stay locked up in their home until COVID disappears rather than get the vaccine, go for it but quit whining.

McRocket · #7 12-06-2021, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo

From what I know Finn, the health clause is left up to the individual states, counties and cities. Yes, the SCOTUS has voted in favor of vaccine mandate, but from what we can see, individual states can make this into a political football, at least till the next mid-term elections.

OK, here is what I believe. Individual enterprises and agencies (both private and government) can restrict access to those who are not vaccinated like schools do, but doubt the constitution will permit forced vaccinations.

Agreed.

HarmanKardon · #8 12-04-2021, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo

Chris, I am curious. Will the German constitution permit it. This is what is preventing vaccines being mandated in the US and we have to do it piecemeal; armed forces, healthcare workers, emergency personell, etc. And every one of these groups are fighting it for Trumpist reasons. These people do not realize that the ones goading them like the Republican politicians and their operatives have all been vaccinated.

The brand new German Government (inauguration of Scholz in a couple of days) will take a vote on it in several weeks. The utra right AFD will not vote for it, but all others will. The new law will come into force in February. Still enough time for all to get this important vaccination.

finnbow · #9 12-04-2021, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by HarmanKardon

The brand new German Government (inauguration of Scholz in a couple of days) will take a vote on it in several weeks. The utra right AFD will not vote for it, but all others will. The new law will come into force in February. Still enough time for all to get this important vaccination.

At least in Germany, the AFD is a distinct minority (~5%). Their equivalent here is just as loony, racist and nihilistic, but represents about half the country.

HarmanKardon · #10 12-04-2021, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow

At least in Germany, the AFD is a distinct minority (~5%). Their equivalent here is just as loony, racist and nihilistic, but represents about half the country.

In the early 20s the NSDAP started their career as an underestimated tribe of freaks.

Stay alert you democratic constitutions all around the world!