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This one will be worth watching closely especially the financing of the $17 Billion.
If only Trump can figure out a way to claim credit for making this deal...............
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Maybe Boeing will give the Cheetolini a 10% discount on Hair Force One?
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12-12-2016, 09:23 AM
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This one will be worth watching closely especially the financing of the $17 Billion.
If only Trump can figure out a way to claim credit for making this deal...............
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There's no figuring involved. He just does it.
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12-12-2016, 10:11 AM
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Well, now that we're a country that makes deals with state-sponsors of terrorism, let's go all in and sell them some 737's and 777's. Why not?
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12-12-2016, 10:22 AM
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Well, now that we're a country that makes deals with state-sponsors of terrorism, let's go all in and sell them some 737's and 777's. Why not?
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Reagan sold them missiles. Why shouldn't we sell them passenger jets?
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12-12-2016, 11:19 AM
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Well, now that we're a country that makes deals with state-sponsors of terrorism, let's go all in and sell them some 737's and 777's. Why not?
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Reagan sold them missiles. Why shouldn't we sell them passenger jets?
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Well, that was St. Ronnie, pilgrim! Don't you know you there is a separate standard for anyone who promises cheap bastards a tax cut?
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12-12-2016, 11:20 AM
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Reagan sold them missiles. Why shouldn't we sell them passenger jets?
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Great. A bit of historical revisionism thrown in to the thread. Nice job.
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12-12-2016, 11:38 AM
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Great. A bit of historical revisionism thrown in to the thread. Nice job.
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Educate yourself, Mike before exposing your ignorance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E...3Contra_affair
You can thank me later.
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12-12-2016, 11:39 AM
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Great. A bit of historical revisionism thrown in to the thread. Nice job.
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You stepped in shit there Whelly.
The Ministry of Truth hasn't gotten around to scrubbing the Iran-Contra scandal yet.
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12-26-2016, 10:33 AM
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From your link (did you even read it first)?
To this day, Reagan's role in the transactions is not definitively known; it is unclear exactly what Reagan knew and when, and whether the arms sales were motivated by his desire to save the U.S. hostages.
So yes, thank you for that link.
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12-26-2016, 11:02 AM
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From your link (did you even read it first)?
To this day, Reagan's role in the transactions is not definitively known; it is unclear exactly what Reagan knew and when, and whether the arms sales were motivated by his desire to save the U.S. hostages.
So yes, thank you for that link.
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That particular bit of wikipedia text is a non-footnoted conclusion. It therefore does not meet wikipedia's encyclopedia standards for support, and is completely non-authoritative. It's a very thin reed to base a claim of Reagan's innocence, especially considering the footnoted facts that immediately follow in the wikipedia article:
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Oliver North wrote that "Ronald Reagan knew of and approved a great deal of what went on with both the Iranian initiative and private efforts on behalf of the contras and he received regular, detailed briefings on both...I have no doubt that he was told about the use of residuals for the Contras, and that he approved it. Enthusiastically."[82] Handwritten notes by Defense Secretary Weinberger indicate that the President was aware of potential hostages transfers with Iran, as well as the sale of Hawk and TOW missiles to what he was told were "moderate elements" within Iran.[8] Notes taken on December 7, 1985, by Weinberger record that Reagan said that "he could answer charges of illegality but he couldn't answer charge [sic] that 'big strong President Reagan passed up a chance to free hostages'".[8] The Republican-written "Report of the Congressional Committees Investigating the Iran-Contra Affair" concluded, that
There is some question and dispute about precisely the level at which he chose to follow the operation details. There is no doubt, however, ... [that] the President set the US policy towards Nicaragua, with few if any ambiguities, and then left subordinates more or less free to implement it.[83]
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Based on the above, the answer to the question 'What did Reagan know?' is 'Plenty.' And the answer to 'When did he know it?' is 'As it happened.'
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