Mid East policy speech

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

There is a serious fact overlooked here - they LOST. YEARS ago. Should we return the southwestern states to Mexico?

If the rockets would stop and they acted like responsible adults world opinion would force Israels hand.

Pete

Certain powerful groups of Israel are not moved by world opinion. They are driven by religious belief......the land was given to them by GOD and it is their right and DUTY to settle it. I believe the Palis know that the present Likud is on a fervent mission of expansion and settlement.
Notwithstanding I would certainly like the Palis to concede publicly Israel right to exist.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Heck the US isn't leaving Israels side anytime soon!

I think we're getting quite tired of them acting the belligerent fool.

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

...why didn't we have trouble with Nazis in occupied Germany, or Japan, heck the South after the civil war?

Because we didn't ALLOW them to act the belligerent fool.

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Then and now they are using the poor Palestinians for their own purposes. They should look after the log in their own eye.

Which Israel will NEVER do so long as they perpetuate the fallacy that they are "God's chosen people" and we (the United States) continue to be the dog behind their briskly wagging tail.

Originally Posted by finnbow

The Germans perpetrate a genocide of epic proportions (both in numbers and methods) and the Jews are awarded a state on a different continent as war reparations. If your Palestinian family had been on that land for two millenia, you might think that was somehow unjust, methinks.

I'm going with it being criminal.

And, no, that's NOT anti-semitic.

I just possess an unique perspective on tribalism, Manifest Destiny, and historical outcomes.

Originally Posted by Dondilion

I would certainly like the Palis to concede publicly Israel right to exist.

As a people? SURE.

As a made up land grant nation forced upon an entire geographic region? Who, then, acts as if it should ALL be theirs?

I'm more than a little wary...

[whell]

Originally Posted by Zeke

As a made up land grant nation forced upon an entire geographic region? Who, then, acts as if it should ALL be theirs?

I'm more than a little wary...

Isreal has demonstrated on a number of occasions that they are more than willing do recognize a Palastinian state, and offer significant real estate to make it happen, or trade land for peace. Therefore I have no idea where the "should be ALL theirs" comment comes from.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by whell

Isreal has demonstrated on a number of occasions that they are more than willing do recognize a Palastinian state, and offer significant real estate to make it happen, or trade land for peace. Therefore I have no idea where the "should be ALL theirs" comment comes from.

Uh, all of what they -- erroneously -- claim should be Israel?

Their borders should be pushed back, if the land grant should exist at all.

Am I hard on them?

"Sure."

In my personal opinion, they've earned it.

Again, being objective? So did Geronimo, Red Cloud, Pontiac, et al...

When you continuously call down the thunder, you cannot be surprised if/when it comes.

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Which Israel will NEVER do so long as they perpetuate the fallacy that they are "God's chosen people" and we (the United States) continue to be the dog behind their briskly wagging tail.

I was refering to the other ME countries.

Germany, Japan, the south - were crushed. There was no fight left in them.

Pete