Japans Cash for clunkers

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by merrylander

We could have insisted that the Big Three come up with better iron.

WAAAAY to hard for the big 3 to understand, they were arrogant.

Folks, we start a trade war and this recession will look like a quaint little problem.

Why can the Japs make money building cars here, but we can't? What is different?

Pete

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

WAAAAY to hard for the big 3 to understand, they were arrogant.

Folks, we start a trade war and this recession will look like a quaint little problem.

Why can the Japs make money building cars here, but we can't? What is different?

Pete

The Japanese plants are largely, but not entirely, non-union.
This is a problem that can, and should be resolved.
I agree, Pete. The playing field needs to be levelled.
The Japanese managers have had it entirely too easy for entirely too long.

Dave

Dave

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

WAAAAY to hard for the big 3 to understand, they were arrogant.

Folks, we start a trade war and this recession will look like a quaint little problem.

Why can the Japs make money building cars here, but we can't? What is different?

Pete

So we should sit back and be raped?

Because the states where they located gave them big tax breaks and even paid them to locate where they are. They are non-union and pay scab wages. Their home governments subsidise them, part of Japanese trade policy, subsidise their manufacturers until they have eliminated the competition, then watch out.

[piece-itpete]

They pay well Rob, and around here anyway the state gives big money to the 'medium two' ( ) to stay put and expand.

It's the crazy bennies. Last contract, one concession was they gave up the day after Easter as a holiday.

I didn't know some folks got that day. I've never even heard of it.

I agree, Japan is no slouch and we should be very careful. I vote for full reciprocity regarding trade.

Pete

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

They pay well Rob, and around here anyway the state gives big money to the 'medium two' ( ) to stay put and expand.

There are a lot of hidden percs the southern states like Alabama, South Carolina and Kentucky have given the foreign manufacturers for locating in their states, everything from giving them free tax-free land to building the highways that run past it.

It's the crazy bennies. Last contract, one concession was they gave up the day after Easter as a holiday.

Well, they've cut their wages and benefits to the point where they can't getaway with more. All they have left is to nickel and dime the workers around the edges by taking away little things like paid days off.

I didn't know some folks got that day. I've never even heard of it.

And you never will again.

I agree, Japan is no slouch and we should be very careful. I vote for full reciprocity regarding trade.

Pete

If you're talking about tariff and such it's kinda too late for the car companies. How do you put an import tariff on something built here by a foreign company?

John

[piece-itpete]

Gosh we love to argue don't we?

Originally Posted by Boreas

There are a lot of hidden percs the southern states like Alabama, South Carolina and Kentucky have given the foreign manufacturers for locating in their states, everything from giving them free tax-free land to building the highways that run past it.

Ohio does the same thing for both foriegn and domestics.

Originally Posted by Boreas

Well, they've cut their wages and benefits to the point where they can't getaway with more. All they have left is to nickel and dime the workers around the edges by taking away little things like paid days off.

Do you have any idea what benefits we're talking about here? T'ain't 5 and 10.

Originally Posted by Boreas

And you never will again.

I'll be happy with another week

Originally Posted by Boreas

If you're talking about tariff and such it's kinda too late for the car companies. How do you put an import tariff on something built here by a foreign company?

John

Use the exact same thing they do. Are we allowed to build cars there? Then guess what. Start taking apart every car that comes in from Japan and the big 2 will be booming again toot sweet

Pete

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Gosh we love to argue don't we?

Is that what this is?

Ohio does the same thing for both foriegn and domestics.

I don't think that's true. When was the last time Detroit built a plant in Ohio or anywhere else? They've been closing them and/or selling them to foreign manufacturers. Of course, that would also mean no new roads to non-existent new domestic plants.

Do you have any idea what benefits we're talking about here? T'ain't 5 and 10.

So, the UAW hasn't negotiated away any of their wages and benefits lately?

Use the exact same thing they do. Are we allowed to build cars there? Then guess what. Start taking apart every car that comes in from Japan and the big 2 will be booming again toot sweet

Pete

Again, they're all building cars here. How do you impose a tariff on them? Do you propose forcing them to shut down their US plants?

John

[BlueStreak]

"So we should sit back and be raped?"

That's the plan, Rob.

You see;

It's our Patriotic duty to see that the wealthy are very well taken care of, their every whim and desire catered to and their assholes properly licked clean. American workers compensation should be brought in line with the average Guatemalan, so that the "playing field" will at long last be level.

And we will do this voluntarily, because we're "Great Americans" who realize it's just the natural order of things for the rich to shit on the rest of us.
They should have a totally free hand to decide totally on their own how much of their table scraps each one of us is worth. Without any pesky annoyances to get in the way, like the minimum wages, collective bargaining and all of that nonsense.

How dare us, the bad, evil, naughty and lackadaisical American workers, how dare we expect to have a voice and a way to stand up for ourselves? They never do anything sneaky or underhanded. They can't, because everybody knows the bosses are angelic beings, sent by the Almighty himself to bestow providence upon us! They do it out of love, caring and divine inspiration, Rob. And we should be proud to serve them humbly and, of course, as cheaply as possible.

And Hey, who knows? If you're a really good dog, fetch his slippers, and refrain from soiling his Persian rugs with your bodily excretions, the bastard might even buy you a beer with the money he's made off of your labor..............

Dave