Roe v. Wade Overturned

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by RickeyM

whell


Except that there will be politicians in the way.

The good news is that they will be more "local". e.g. here in Kentucky Pelosi (and therefore the voters of California) won't have a say. That is huge.

[Noogies]

Kind of getting away from the original premise of the thread, folks. Roe v. Wade, states rights, women's rights, right to life are all well-worn topics for debate here and elsewhere. Done to death. I specifically wanted to know whether anybody thought the SCOTUS decision today might give a back-handed boost to the Dems in the mid-terms or are they still screwed?

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Noogies

Kind of getting away from the original premise of the thread, folks. Roe v. Wade, states rights, women's rights, right to life are all well-worn topics for debate here and elsewhere. Done to death. I specifically wanted to know whether anybody thought the SCOTUS decision today might give a back-handed boost to the Dems in the mid-terms or are they still screwed?

I'm betting the GQP has shot itself in the pecker over all of this.

[Noogies]

Originally Posted by bobabode

I'm betting the GQP has shot itself in the pecker over all of this.

I'm thinking that too, especially if SCOTUS takes a run at contraception or same-sex marriage before November.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Noogies

Kind of getting away from the original premise of the thread, folks. Roe v. Wade, states rights, women's rights, right to life are all well-worn topics for debate here and elsewhere. Done to death. I specifically wanted to know whether anybody thought the SCOTUS decision today might give a back-handed boost to the Dems in the mid-terms or are they still screwed?

Hard to say, both sides could be motivated to show up as mirror images of the issues.

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by Noogies

Kind of getting away from the original premise of the thread, folks. Roe v. Wade, states rights, women's rights, right to life are all well-worn topics for debate here and elsewhere. Done to death. I specifically wanted to know whether anybody thought the SCOTUS decision today might give a back-handed boost to the Dems in the mid-terms or are they still screwed?

I think it will, in the end, hurt the dems. The reason is simple but at least twofold. First, the population in general is NOT pro-choice, at least according to polls. That is, more people than not are against "abortion on demand at any and all stages of pregnancy".

Second, as this is discussed, more and more people will reach the knowledge level to understand that this is really not about making abortion legal or illegal, but about getting the federal government out of it and giving it back to the states. This one is huge, because now politicians running for office in each state will have to take a stand, LOCALLY, on any abortion law. And this is where the first issue above will bite them.

However, that second one will help democrats in states like California and NY, but hurt them in the red states and, of significant importance, in the more purple states.

All IMO, of course. At least politics became more local with this decision - as it should be. Us Kentuckians don't like Schumer having much of a say in our politics here just as Californians don't like Rand Paul having much say in their politics.

Edit: There was also a lot of talk on the analysis shows yesterday about this meaning you can either try to change the laws in your own state or, if that is fruitless, move to one that aligns with your perspective. That one hits me close to home because that is exactly what I did. As my state (WA) moved farther and farther left in the 46 years I lived there, I felt more and more like a stranger, and I left for rural Kentucky in 2011. I've been embraced by the local people. We have a LOT more in common. I love it.

[Mark B]

Originally Posted by Noogies

Kind of getting away from the original premise of the thread, folks. Roe v. Wade, states rights, women's rights, right to life are all well-worn topics for debate here and elsewhere. Done to death. I specifically wanted to know whether anybody thought the SCOTUS decision today might give a back-handed boost to the Dems in the mid-terms or are they still screwed?

Yes the SC decision on Roe v. Wade will help the Dems in the 2022 midterm elections.

As for the narrative that Dems were going to be screwed in the 2022 midterm elections, IMO that is a Repub fantasy.

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by Mark B

Yes the SC decision on Roe v. Wade will help the Dems in the 2022 midterm elections.

As for the narrative that Dems were going to be screwed in the 2022 midterm elections, IMO that is a Repub fantasy.

We'll see. I think the opposite will happen. But staunchly blue states will probably remain blue. I expect some blue states, and especially the purple ones. to go red.

It's only a few months away. We'll soon know one way or the other.

[Noogies]

Originally Posted by Not Insane

We'll see. I think the opposite will happen. But staunchly blue states will probably remain blue. I expect some blue states, and especially the purple ones to go red.

I tend to agree with you, I'm just not as happy about it. It's the way the tide has turned.

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by Noogies

I tend to agree with you, I'm just not as happy about it. It's the way the tide has turned.

I used to say the conservatives would win for this reason: The left owns the MSM, but the right owns the internet. And the reason I said that is that you can't comment on MSM news stories, but you can comment on internet stories. And the right uses a lot more logic in their responses while the left mostly uses emotion.

I saw this when I looked at the comments in forums 15 years ago. And then I would look at comments on FOX and CNN videos on youtube. What I noticed was on Fox videos, those that agreed would share WHY they agreed, and the leftists would just say the video was stupid, or they would ad-hom attack other conservative posters. But the lion's share of responses were from conservatives

Then I'd go to CNN videos. The leftists typically just said, "great video", "I love you guys", etc. Nothing substantial. Just a verbal equivalent of "thumbs up". But the conservatives would skewer the video with examples, links and, quite often, very well thought out rebuttals. And here is the interesting part - there were a LOT more conservative comments than leftist ones.

What changed my thinking? Cancel culture. Basically, the left - in the form of Twitter, Youtube, Facebook, etc. (iow, with teeth) started shutting down conservatives, demonitizing, etc. They literally came up with an institutionalized version of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUz4s5OktLE (it's interesting to note that this video is 12 years old)

It mattered for a while. But it backfired and now those voices are bubbling back to the surface - and the left is getting crushed.

I learned something way back in high school debate class in 1971: If you think the other side is stupid, but you can't come up with a quick and solid comeback - or even a well prepared one - it just may be that you are the one that is wrong.

And I learned from that. It's why I wll sometimes change my opinion on a subject or particular story as new information presents itself. And I'm seeing a lot of folks on the left do that. A prime example is the guy that said, during the Rittenhouse trial, that as he watched it he was shocked to learn that the guys Rittenhouse shot were NOT BLACK. Based on the way the MSM reported the story, he had been able to infer they were black. That sort of thing is happening to a lot of people.

It's called, "Being red pilled." And it's happening a lot. Honestly, it normally comes with age, information, and the ongoing acquisition of wisdom. But some people never get to that point.