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06-02-2010, 12:38 PM
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No, I'm not. But thinking doesn't stop these folks. I don't think ( ) doing nothing when attacked is a very good idea?
Pete
PS Israel is an ally . Interesting word that.
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An ally that is constantly doing things that go against our (supposed) principles and expecting us to back them up. That's why all of these "peace agreements" are such a waste of time, and why so many in this world are angry with us for supporting them. I say just step back and let them fight it out, with NO help from us for either side.
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06-02-2010, 12:51 PM
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Possibly admin. Maybe ;)
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Good question. Why do you think they're there?
You're speaking of the Gazans, right? They can't without defying Israel. Israel has blockaded Gaza. Nothing in, nothing out. Hell, you can't even get concrete in there to rebuild the houses that the IDF flattened. The Gazans are rebuilding, such as they can, by using rubble.
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I don't have any opinions on why they are there, it's known history.
The other arab and persian states had years and years to help them. Some even threw them out.
When Israel did as you wanted a few years ago, and withdrew, the idiots immediately started firing rockets into Israel. Smart, huh? Those poor peaceful folk.
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Inside, or outside of their waters?
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They are still at war, so it really doesn't matter. I expect we wouldn't though, unless it was outside.
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Oddly enough so is Egypt. When people like Hamas insist that all Isreaelis be driven into the sea, or spend their spare time lobbing rockets into Israel are they supposed to welcome them with a warm embrace?
The arabs had their chance back in the early thirties and blew it.
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They love Hitler and teach their children the blood libel. How can there be peace when they allow themselves to be controlled by such hate. It's astounding!
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Originally Posted by BlueStreak
An ally that is constantly doing things that go against our (supposed) principles and expecting us to back them up. That's why all of these "peace agreements" are such a waste of time, and why so many in this world are angry with us for supporting them. I say just step back and let them fight it out, with NO help from us for either side.
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Israel is fighting for its' very survival every day. Even Obama has tactically agreed that civillian casualties are unavoidable.
Pete
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06-02-2010, 01:04 PM
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They are still at war, so it really doesn't matter. I expect we wouldn't though, unless it was outside.
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Right. Technically, the Korean War never ended.
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06-02-2010, 01:06 PM
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Right. Technically, the Korean War never ended.
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It was a Police Action, not a war. Isn't that what we were told as to why it was constitutional to pursue an undeclared war.
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06-02-2010, 01:28 PM
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It was a Police Action, not a war. Isn't that what we were told as to why it was constitutional to pursue an undeclared war.
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That's what we were told, alright. Even got the UN to play ventriloquist dummy so that a: we didn't have to acknowledge our own part in promoting the war and b: we could force the UN to take sides against the communist bloc.
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06-02-2010, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueStreak
An ally that is constantly doing things that go against our (supposed) principles and expecting us to back them up. That's why all of these "peace agreements" are such a waste of time, and why so many in this world are angry with us for supporting them. I say just step back and let them fight it out, with NO help from us for either side.
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Precisely.
We owe Israel, NOTHING.
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06-03-2010, 12:36 AM
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It was a Police Action, not a war. Isn't that what we were told as to why it was constitutional to pursue an undeclared war.
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Okay, so technically the Korean Police Action never ended. Whatever. To my mind thousands of soldiers from different countries sent by their respective governments to kill each other is a war, whatever label we stick on it. Just my opinion.
At any rate, what I was going to say in my earlier post, but was interrupted by work, is this; If a ship, any ship even one of ours, enters NK waters uninvited and gets fired upon,-------They shouldn't have gone there. It would be the natural impulse of any nation to do the same.
I say this having been part of an exercise (1983) in which our Navy entered Soviet waters in a deliberate attempt to provoke a response. And they did come out, as a matter of fact, they virtually surrounded us and escorted us back out into International waters. Fortunately there were no shots fired, but the message was clear---GET OUT! If they had fired, it would have sucked for me and my shipmates, (And probably the rest of the world.) but they would have been within their rights to do so.
That's just reality. (As Zeke says.)
Dave
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06-03-2010, 05:16 AM
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Oh, I think Navies & Air Forces "probe" each other like that all the time. The Russkies did it constantly w/Tupolev Tu-95 "Bear" bombers, "straying" into our airspace & there was always a Soviet "Fishing boat" that trailed the navy on exercises. I'm sure we had our share of "Accidents" where WE poked at THEM, too. All part of "the game", both us & the Soviets understood that, & it rarely, if ever, rose above that level. I dunno if the Norks & the South Koreans, given the rhetoric & bluster, see THAT aspect of things, though...
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06-03-2010, 10:47 AM
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Right.
Dave
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