Obama goes to war?

[piece-itpete]

If China stayed out we would walk over them. Not bragging, just a fact.

Occupation may be harder, but maybe not.

For the record, I'm not advocating action at this point. But if SK opens fire it's probably on.

Pete

[piece-itpete]

Btw, I'm not saying they wouldn't do any damage, just the forgone conclusion.

Pete

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

If China stayed out we would walk over them. Not bragging, just a fact.

Man, does that sound familiar. Will we be greeted as "liberators" too Mr. Cheney?

[piece-itpete]

Er, we did walk all over the 4th largest army in the world with the best defenses Russia could build, and that's a fact.

What is this - 'Obama, at least he's not quite as bad as Bush'?

I'm not the one threatening NK, your dudes are.

Pete

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Er, we did walk all over the 4th largest army in the world with the best defenses Russia could build, and that's a fact.

That is exactly my point. Beating their Army isn't the issue. As I said, I'd not be easily convinced another Iraq style invasion is in our best interest. How many young Americans do we have to occupy these nations? No, I think a more Clinton like containment strategy backed up by narrowly focused strategic strikes makes a lot more sense. The lesson of Iraq should be that Clinton’s policy worked. Sadam was effectively contained and did not have WMD. Who knows what would have happened with North Korea if a similar policy had been in place? I don’t pretend to be an international policy expert, but it would seem plausible that we were distracted by Afghanistan and Iraq.

And no, this is Obama: he's a damn sight better than Bush. He won the election by being less Bush-like than the other guy. A pretty decent yard stick to be sure. I think it's a great idea to continue to vote for the least Bush like President we can find.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

No, it isn't. "Pre-emption" is. Wars launched on deliberate misinformation are.

Precisely the point that I made.

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

I'm still surprised at the lefts' response to the administrations' sabre-rattling, given their large anti-military wing.

I don't perceive the left -- or me, if you include self-proclaimed moderates as such -- as, "anti-military." I tend to see us as, "anti-dumbass."

The military is a viable option when called for, but gleefully maneuvering yourself into a position wherein the military becomes your best option is not sound strategy... (It's merely our modus operandi.)

And, if we're going to play World Mommy, not spanking belligerent nations, equally, is weak...

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Zeke

I don't perceive the left -- or me, if you include self-proclaimed moderates as such -- as, "anti-military." I tend to see us as, "anti-dumbass."

God I wish I had said that. Bravo. Post of the month for srue!

And exactly right. Why do right wingers always want to say Democrats are "anti-military"? No, we're not. We need a military and we need to use it wisely. Which, really, is exactly what Zeke just said with a lot fewer words.

[piece-itpete]

The fact remains - you guys are arguing with me, because I brought up what Obama is doing.

Furthermore if SK opens fire on NK or the other way around all our discussion is moot. It certainly isn't 'my' strategy.

Withdrawing the US military world wide is not anti-dumbass, or wouldn't Obama have done it? Or is Obama a dumbass too?

Is there a Code Pink parking space at the White House now?

Do I get to type dumbass again?

Pete

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

The fact remains - you guys are arguing with me, because I brought up what Obama is doing.

I'm not arguing, I'm just keeping it real.

If we stare down North Korea for being an aggressor nation, I want us to do the same to Israel if they get all froggy and preemptive: as is their style...

[Charles]

I don't understand the fascination with Afghanistan, has anyone ever won there? Besides, we wouldn't be able to support a force there if we didn't have Iraq for a staging area.

Now Shrub may have been an idiot, but he had enough sense not to get bogged down in Afghanistan.

And Korea is another Tar Baby.

Chas