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03-07-2014, 09:49 AM
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Joe Wilson, Phil Donohue and Dan Rather.......
And we know what happened to them.
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This is NOT the same thing, in fact the comparison is idiotic and could -- I'm sure be expressed better -- but time is short...
Recently, folks have wondered how Hitler got the whole country to go along. Above, is a query (of a MUCH different thing!) about how the Republicans could get the whole country to go along.
It's because, somehow, the idea of NOT going along became unpatriotic, repulsive and shunned.
I've often wondered how that occurs.
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03-07-2014, 09:59 AM
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Post 9-11 was an unusual time I think. Both parties followed their leaders who appear to have been in very close agreement.
Pete
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03-07-2014, 10:08 AM
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Loyal Opposition
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Originally Posted by piece-itpete
Post 9-11 was an unusual time I think. Both parties followed their leaders who appear to have been in very close agreement.
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Bush and his handlers treated 9/11 as a golden opportunity to clamp down on individual liberties. And yes, one of the most cogent critiques of the Obama administration is that they have not done enough to reverse the post-9/11 power grab.
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D-Ray
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03-07-2014, 10:21 AM
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Not just reverse!
Pete
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03-07-2014, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by d-ray657
Bush and his handlers treated 9/11 as a golden opportunity to clamp down on individual liberties. And yes, one of the most cogent critiques of the Obama administration is that they have not done enough to reverse the post-9/11 power grab.
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It could actually be said that, under Obama, civil liberties have been further eroded. I'm not talking about the NSA, really. That stuff started before way 2008. I'm talking about the targeting of US citizens for assassination and the imprisonment of whistle blowers like Chelsea Manning and John Kiriaku.
John
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03-07-2014, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by d-ray657
Bush and his handlers treated 9/11 as a golden opportunity to clamp down on individual liberties. And yes, one of the most cogent critiques of the Obama administration is that they have not done enough to reverse the post-9/11 power grab.
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Reverse it? They have treated it more like a knick-knack. Pick it up, look at it, and then put it back on the shelf. Hard to understand how an administration that can push through the ACA seems to suffer from an "if you're not sure what to do with it don't do anything" syndrome on so many other issues.
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03-07-2014, 10:29 AM
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Don't ya just love second terms?
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03-07-2014, 10:38 AM
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Persona non grata
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Originally Posted by piece-itpete
Post 9-11 was an unusual time I think. Both parties followed their leaders who appear to have been in very close agreement.
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Trying to give the Democrats equal blame for the Iraq War is bullshit.
You and your kind own this one Pete.
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03-07-2014, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Boreas
It could actually be said that, under Obama, civil liberties have been further eroded. I'm not talking about the NSA, really. That stuff started before way 2008. I'm talking about the targeting of US citizens for assassination and the imprisonment of whistle blowers like Chelsea Manning and John Kiriaku.
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I do not know about Manning...or Snowden. I look at it like this: both took oaths and passed securtiy clearances in order to get the access the nation entrusted to them. More importantly the tax payers (many of whom without health insurance and working in low paying jobs) were paying their salarys....and providing "free" health care for them (in Manning's case in particular...Snowden probably had his provided to him by the sub-contractor who was being paid off by tax payers) because of their military jobs.
So how did those two repay us?
How do you know that Manning has not been responsible for outings overseas in which pro-Americans have been hurt or killed?
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03-07-2014, 10:45 AM
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Trying to give the Democrats equal blame for the Iraq War is bullshit.
You and your kind own this one Pete.
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Damn! And I thought Pete was the PC version of Sarah Lee!
John
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