Michigan and Job Growth

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

You can live pretty damn good in AZ. on 40K.

Yeah, but who in their right mind wants to live in that hellish place?
Even you're buying up land in Canada so you can escape someday.

Arizona.....F**k that.

Dave

[Rex E.]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

You can live pretty damn good in AZ. on 40K.

You can live damn well in most states on $40K. Like I said, if I've been doing it on less than that for 20 years then i could only imagine what I could accomplish with $40K a year. I should have finished college but then i would have missed all that fun while I was young.

The kinda wages Vega is paying makes me wonder if I shouldn't move down to AZ and go to work for him. Never lost my license and always show up at least 20 minutes early

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Yeah, but who in their right mind wants to live in that hellish place?
Even you're buying up land in Canada so you can escape someday.

Arizona.....F**k that.

Dave

Well actually, the plan is to move to Montana. But yes Dave, it does suck here. I should have included now that the housing boom is over.

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by Rex E.

The kinda wages Vega is paying makes me wonder if I shouldn't move down to AZ and go to work for him. Never lost my license and always show up at least 20 minutes early

Hey wait, that's Charles.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

Well actually, the plan is to move to Montana. But yes Dave, it does suck here. I should have included now that the housing boom is over.

You can become a dental floss tycoon.

[Rex E.]

Originally Posted by finnbow

You can become a dental floss tycoon.

raisin' it up/waxin it down/puttin' it in a lil white box and sellin' it uptown

[Rex E.]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

Hey wait, that's Charles.

You're closer...wanna help a brutha out?

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by Rex E.

You're closer...wanna help a brutha out?

Yeah, but this place is hurting like Vegas. My wife & I are working day jobs, selling houses, doing property management, fabbing car parts, baking cakes (which is really kicking ass ), just to keep moving forward.
Call Chuck.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Bigerik

Great post, Dave!

Steel was everything in the Mahoning Valley. Nearly everyone worked for "Big Steel" or some feeder industry. (Still is, albeit to a much lesser degree.)

The worst part of the collapse took place while I was in the service..1982-86. I went home to an absolutely devastated community. (Many people there still can't figure out what in the hell folks are talking about when they go on about how great the '80s were. That entire decade was nothing but shit, to them.)

Anyhow, for a decade and a half I was a bit obssessed with it. That, and the utter absurdities taking place at our second largest employer---GM. Even though I had moved down here to VA, I subscribed to hometown newspapers, researched the valleys history and businesses. The obssession has faded quite a bit in the last few years, but I am watching the steel industry there---------For the first time since the 1970s------it's growing.

So, yeah. I've been following this stuff for a long, long time.

Look guys, I still support labor, because I still care about where the current trends are taking our workers. It's friggin' sad, what's going on, IMHO. But, I'm not blind, nor stupid. I see the excesses, the corruption and the mistakes.

But, I also hear it, every day....The constant bashing and blaming of labor for literally everything. If your kid is failing, it's because his teacher is a loser and her union protects her.........Really? Ever think that, maybe, the kid might actually.....well, you know where I'm going. I recently overheard two young men in their twenties going on about how "........unions go on strike, because the company took their free sodas away! Yeah, no shit man, free sodas....It's like grow the f**k up..they should lose their jobs...dumbasses." What were those morons babbling about? I was a union member once, years ago----I don't remember any free sodas, much less going on strike over anything that trivial.....

So, I get in my truck and tune to the EIB network..........Uh, Huh..There it is.

Dave

[piece-itpete]

40k may not be rich, but it sure ain't poor!

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

In the bolded---Because it's true.

And,

Yates can't tell possibly me anything I don't already know about the UAW and the auto industry, Pete. Or the steel industry and it's unions for that matter, either.

Dave

We've talked a lot about it Dave. I was pointing out that while it wasn't just the unions fault, they weren't blameless. One thing often overlooked is how rigid the big unions can make the workplace.

Yates rips the big 3s management a new one. Some of it is excellent.

Pete