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Old 01-19-2013, 07:27 PM
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My neighbor gave me some curved stripper clips and a few rounds of Lebel 1886 rifle rounds. First smokeless cartridges made. The French/Austrians sure make stuff with a certain flair, even bullets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebel_Model_1886_rifle

I'll have to see if my friend, the collector, has one of these WW1 era rifles.
Considering it's a French rifle, it may never have been fired in combat.
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:33 PM
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Considering it's a French rifle, it may never have been fired in combat.
It didn't even get into the frontline troops' hands. We could learn something from those wine obsessive Frenchies, no? Designed by Mannlicher, hence the Austrian ref.
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I have two 30.06 rifles one a Springfield 03 and the other a Eddystone bolt action. Both are very easy and fast to learn to shoot well. I would think that round would be also!



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I have two 30.06 rifles one a Springfield 03 and the other a Eddystone bolt action. Both are very easy and fast to learn to shoot well. I would think that round would be also!



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These are 8mm? Weird shit, indeed! These rounds appear to be full steel jacketed, armor piercing?
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These are 8mm? Weird shit, indeed! These rounds appear to be full steel jacketed, armor piercing?
No. 30-06 is also called a 7.62x63 (bullet diameter x case length).
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No. 30-06 is also called a 7.62x63 (bullet diameter x case length).
Right the 7.62 NATO. The AK47 also uses a 7.62 round but with a shorter casing. I think Bob may have been talking about the French Lebel cartridge being 8mm.

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Right the 7.62 NATO. The AK47 also uses a 7.62 round but with a shorter casing. I think Bob may have been talking about the French Lebel cartridge being 8mm.

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Actually, the 7.62 NATO (7.62X51) is the 308 Winchester, not a 30-06 (which is not a NATO cartridge). The AK shoots a 7.62X39.
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Sorry I was alluding to the progression from the Lebel rifle/round to Mauser then onto the Springfield and then Lee-Enfield. How that action and round may have started the trend away from lever action.



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Actually, the 7.62 NATO (7.62X51) is the 308 Winchester, not a 30-06 (which is not a NATO cartridge). The AK shoots a 7.62X39.
OOPS! Thanks for the correction! I probably had to learn that in the Army but that was 45 years ago.

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