Migration crisis - quo vadis, Eurpean Union?

[nailer]

Migrations are beyond the law. If a very large group of culturally bound humans want to migrate they can be absorbed or kept out. If the migrating group is large and well lead they can take over. There's a lot of gray areas to work with though.

The actual and potential unintended consequences of this German guilt trip has me glad I live here, not there. Then again, I've never had the urge to emigrate.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by nailer

Migrations are beyond the law. If a very large of culturally bound humans want to migrate they can be absorbed or kept out. If the migrating group is large and well lead they can take over. There's a lot of gray areas to work with though.

Additionally the addled Merkel wants to give the Turks Schengen rights.

[Dondilion]

Prelude to tear gas.

[HarmanKardon]

I am so happy that I made a stage possible for you to fuck Frau Merkel again, Dondillon.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by HarmanKardon

I am so happy that I made a stage possible for you to fuck Frau Merkel again, Dondillon.

I seem to recall how a year or so ago that you were pretty outspoken against Frau Merkel (for reasons other than the Syrian refugee problem).

[HarmanKardon]

Where is the contradiction, Sir? I do not like her as a person. That is right. But this has nothing to do with the fact that I agree with some of her desicions as a politician in the last years.

Finnbow you speak German - so werde ich es Ihnen nochmals mit Worten meiner eigenen Sprache erklären. Auf der einen Seite steht das was sie tut, als Politikerin, auf der anderen Seite das wie sie es tut, als Mensch. Beides ist eng miteinander verbunden, dennoch sind es unterschiedliche Dinge, verstehen Sie was ich meine?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by HarmanKardon

Where is the contradiction, Sir? I do not like her as a person. That is right. But this has nothing to do with the fact that I agree with some of her desicions as a politician in the last years.

Finnbow you speak German - so werde ich es Ihnen nochmals mit Worten meiner eigenen Sprache erklären. Auf der einen Seite steht das was sie tut, als Politikerin, auf der anderen Seite das wie sie es tut, als Mensch. Beides ist eng miteinander verbunden, dennoch sind es unterschiedliche Dinge, verstehen Sie was ich meine?

I do indeed. Her actions vis-à-vis the Syrian refugees are both a political and a humanitarian act. While it's right and just to praise the humanity of her decision, the political and social consequences of the decision, in a democratic society, are not immune to criticism. In other words, she may have done the wrong thing for the right reasons.

I'm impressed with Frau Merkel's humanity and steadfastness, but that doesn't mean that her decision won't have profound and negative consequences for her country. Similarly, I admire Obama's humanity, but that doesn't preclude criticizing some of his past decisions.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by HarmanKardon

Where is the contradiction, Sir? I do not like her as a person. That is right. But this has nothing to do with the fact that I agree with some of her desicions as a politician in the last years.

Finnbow you speak German - so werde ich es Ihnen nochmals mit Worten meiner eigenen Sprache erklären. Auf der einen Seite steht das was sie tut, als Politikerin, auf der anderen Seite das wie sie es tut, als Mensch. Beides ist eng miteinander verbunden, dennoch sind es unterschiedliche Dinge, verstehen Sie was ich meine?

For the rest of us.

I'll explain it to you again with words of my own language. On one side is what she does, as a politician, on the other hand, the way it does, as a human being. Both are closely linked, but there are different things, you understand what I mean?

It's never possible to separate a person from their actions. I know little of Frau Merkel's domestic policy beyond her position on the Refugee crisis but, in the main, I support it. She was faced with a problem with no good solutions but opted for the least terrible among them. The situations in places like Calais and Macedonia are creating a crisis far worse than that in Germany. There is a lesson there for those willing to see it.