Historical Update...circa 1987.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

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For the record, I lean states rights AS DESIGNED, and absolutely agree slavery was the basis of the war.

Slavery killed the experiment by forcing the change to federal domination outside their designated areas. Which would probably have happened eventually anyway, given the nature of government.

Pete

Given that "States' Rights" was code for treating the BoR as a buffet to be cherry picked instead of the universal law of the lamd, it's a synonym for States' Tyranny.

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[nailer]

An Englishman touring the South during the late antebellum period observed that "the South is an aristocracy that lacks nobility."

This article contrasts the values of wealthy Southerners and Yankees.
http://www.salon.com/2012/07/01/sout...alues_revived/

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by nailer

An Englishman touring the South during the late antebellum period observed that "the South is an aristocracy that lacks nobility."

This article contrasts the values of wealthy Southerners and Yankees.
http://www.salon.com/2012/07/01/sout...alues_revived/

Note which culture the Powell memorandum came out of.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Note which culture the Powell Manifesto came out of.

No kidding.

(Hope you don't mind the liberty I took.)

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by nailer

An Englishman touring the South during the late antebellum period observed that "the South is an aristocracy that lacks nobility."

This article contrasts the values of wealthy Southerners and Yankees.
http://www.salon.com/2012/07/01/sout...alues_revived/

Great article...thanks. Interesting that at the same time we can see this lack of nobility, many in the south (and of that belief system) seem to hold so high the concept of "honor".

Then again, the Hatfields and McCoys was all about honor as well.

Thus...in a similar vein:

http://isach.info/story.php?story=ou...ll&chapter=007

[donquixote99]

Funny how the next word after 'honor' is 'killing' so much often....

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Funny how the next word after 'honor' is 'killing' so much often....

The marine corps certainly rammed it up one's ass.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Great article...thanks. Interesting that at the same time we can see this lack of nobility, many in the south (and of that belief system) seem to hold so high the concept of "honor".

Then again, the Hatfields and McCoys was all about honor as well.

Thus...in a similar vein:

http://isach.info/story.php?story=ou...ll&chapter=007

The Planter antebellum culture was bizarre indeed. Osterweis' Romanticism and Nationalism in the Old South is excellent.

The Lost Cause culture that began to grow shortly after the war and acheived full bloom by the turn of the century is equally bizarre.

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Given that "States' Rights" was code for treating the BoR as a buffet to be cherry picked instead of the universal law of the lamd, it's a synonym for States' Tyranny.

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A good example of how slavery killed the Experiment.

Pete

[Tom Joad]

States rights might have sense when it took three weeks on horseback to get a letter from Boston to Washington DC, but it's a totally antiquated concept in today's world where communication is virtually instantaneous. The world has shrunk big time. We shouldn't even have fucken states IMO. Federalize everything.